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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 12:01 AM by lynomor
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hi since I don't think that voting for obama or mcain would make a diffrence ,I'm going to write in Ron Paul, and try to get as man people as I know
to do the same. if a bunch of us did that I would send a strong message. thanks
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 12:21 AM by Anonymous ATS
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Your source is infowars.com...I suggest this be taken with a grain of salt. 
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 12:22 AM by johnsky
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If only we could just round up the war-mongers and shoot them.
But no... they have to be taught a lesson, the legal system has to be allowed to run its course in the name of freedom.
... I still say it would be easier if we just round up the war-mongers and shot them as traitors.
I mean, they are trying to have countrymen, your sons, daughters, friends, family, and even yourself killed in the name of their personal profit.
Is there anything more traitorous than that?
... I can't think of anything.
I know we have to allow the process of democracy teach them a lesson, so lets stay our ground and get the trials rolling.
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 02:58 AM by dunwichwitch
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I assure the frightened that we as humans are waking up. Something WILL be done about the imbalance the corporations have caused this country and the
world.
At first, it may seem like the opposite because, as they wake up, the people don't know what is happening to them or the world around them. So
initially they may tighten up and ignore the obvious because the truth is a cold hard bitch, but a catalyst is on the way. Evolution never fails!
Brace yourself, but don't have fear.
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 03:12 AM by TKainZero
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In WWII, the US used 2 nukes...
Hopefully, it was the last ever used in military action...
If Isreal uses a first strike nukes, i cannot support that...
I would support Isreal in a strike againt Iran, but not a first-strike-nuke... NEVER...
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 03:18 AM by FIFIGI
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Originally posted by The_Alarmist2012
Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
www.infowars.com
 Congressman Ron Paul has warned millions of radio listeners that the US is heading into a deadly confrontation with Iran, (visit the
link for the full news article)
What if it is Iran that is heading into a deadly confrontation with the U.S.A.?
What has Iran done to avoid this confrontation? It seems they have done more to raise the risk of confrontation than the U.S. has.
Who the hell is Ron Paul anyway?
I live well far away from US and know Ron Paul - I like him because he speaks up against current affairs of US government. I have no doubt the war
with Iran is inevitable. All I am wondering is what will US try to invade after all of the world will be occupied and homogenized and called UNITED
STATES OF THE EARTH...yeah I know - they will start a civil war and split in many small states that will be invaded again.
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 03:24 AM by FIFIGI
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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by jtma508
there are protests all over. in DC especially. but you wont see them on the news. I have been to a few and the mysteriously were not mentioned on
news media. Wonder how that works? Hmmm
I am surprised they organised themselves!!! Well done!
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 04:24 AM by Spectre0o0
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Originally posted by TKainZero
The truth is...
From about 2003... It has looked like we have wanted to attack Iran....
5 years later... the only thing that has changed, is the little hitler is doing some saber-rattling, and the Isrealis seem more motivated to attack
Iran then we are...
My opinon, ive thought since 2003, that War with Iran was the next thing, i thought that the US would roll thier troops out of Iraq, and into Iran for
a while...
the one thing that changed is that iran opened the IRAN OIL BOURSE on kish island. it opened in febuary,youknow,back when we cut the internet lines to
iran? ahmadinejad opened this new oil market based on the euro dollar rather than the US dollar
facts about the oil bourse
the idea is that along with a few other major oil producing countries they could crash the dollar. do a date comparison of oil prices since it
opened. also this bourse has been planned and delayed many times. amadinejah has stated that his version of nuking the US didnt involve bombs anymore
it was attacking the american economy.
guess he figured it was on it's knees,might as well cut off its head. so just like whan saddam said no more dollars,and suddenly had weapons of mass
destruction,so will iran follow the worm. remember the MISSION ACCOMPLISHED sign on the aircraft carrier? well the mission was to oust saddam and
install a pro western government that would stay with the dollar funny how that all happened just at the time when the euro passed the dollar in
value.
the current administration will never admit it, but the weapon of mass destruction is the euro and the target is our MONEY.
FOLLOW THE TRAIL AND THERES ALWAYS MONEY AT THE END.
WHY HASNT ANYONE ON HERE MENTIONED THIS,AND REALIZED THAT THE TOWERS WENT DOWN SO WE COULD POSITION OURSELVES ON BOTH SIDES OF IRAN. funny how the
war on terror stopped right there in iraq and afghanistan,isn't it?
it was lucky for us that all the terrorist went straight back to their own countries and we contained them there!! but i'm sure it was a
coincidence.
heres another little story to put in your puzzle box,it will give you an outline of what happened ,but it is much more involved than what is written
in this article. i read years ago that the taliban said no to this deal after being wooed in texas. it says the US WAS OPPOSED TO THE PIPELINE ,BUT
THAT STATEMENT IS FALSE. YOU WILL FIND THIS OUT IF YOU RESEARCH ITFURTHER
PROPOSED OIL LINE THRU AFGHANISTAN,DEAL WITH TALIBAN(or could be called "how to make an instant
terrorist)
and gee wiz.....you never hear about this stuffin msm 
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 06:00 AM by Ex_MislTech
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Originally posted by bigbert81
I am beginning to fear that this war with Iran is fast becoming inevitable.
We're in for a world of trouble, especially when the people who get to make the laws get to profit from them too.
And so it begins:
"http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.CON.RES.362:"
ATS ruins the link if it is dropped in normally.
Ron Paul has stated this might as well be a Declaration of War.
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H. Res 362 is about to be introduced to the floor, probably after the July 4th holiday. The resolution demands that Iran: stop importing all refined
petroleum products; require all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains and cargo entering or departing Iran to be thoroughly inspected; and more. I
cannot believe it, that we may be well on the verge of initiating bombing of Iran. Leaders on both sides of the aisle, and the Administration, have
all said so often: 'No options can be taken off the table.' Including a nuclear first strike on Iran.
"This resolution," Paul said, "Is a virtual War resolution. It is a declaration of tremendous sanctions and boycotts, and embargos on the Iranians
- very, very severe...This is unbelievable. This is closing down Iran. Where do we have this authority? Where do we get the moral authority? Where do
we get the international legality for this? Where do we get the Constitutional authority for this? This is what we did for 10 years before we went
into Iraq: we starved children - 50,000 individuals, it was admitted, probably died because of the sanctions on the Iraqis."
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If someone pays $50,000 USD to make a statement, odds are
they really mean it, and have the resources to deliver on it.
en.wikipedia.org...
6.1 billion dead is their goal, and to make it to that number
they will most likely need Oppenheimer's nightmare.
They have been coaxing Russia for sometime into anger,
and I have outlined this and the new stealth nuke they have.
The taunting has been methodical:
blog.myspace.com...
I have my Bug out bag packed and ready to go, I have cached
items outside the major fallout zone and some nearby caves
picked out. Dealing with alpha particles will be a challenge
afterwards but what can you due other than a geiger counter
and digging down to unaffected soil.
Good Luck to you All !
Over and Out ...
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 06:04 AM by Anonymous ATS
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what u say is true but as a uk citizen i suppose i should be grateful that u entered the war which we were manipulated into by zionist bankers etc
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 07:18 AM by InterWeb
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Israel and the USA are not going to use nukes and absolutely not a first strike with a nuclear weapon. We sit here and talk about how we don’t want
another war, a war with Iran. We are in a war with the people of Iraq right now; we are engaging them on the ground.
When this was happening in Vietnam all those years ago, your mothers and fathers (and maybe even some of you) got up and did something about it, to
the point where guard’s men from an American troop fired live rounds and killed some American student demonstrators.
And after those people were killed on the ground, for airing their views about how they did not like to see American GI’s come home in boxes, what
did the government do? Did they stop the war? And stop the boxes?
No, they went into another spate of wars and stopped you seeing the boxes coming home.
It’s not a case of “write to some people and stop this impending war with Iran” and it’s not a case of “will we, wont we” It’s a case
of; there is NOTHING you can do about it. America is too big and that sort of popular thinking and therefore action, that might get them to stop and
think about it, on your behalf, would have to be something mass, it would have to be an all out revolution on the streets.
And that my friends would mean civil war.
Ron Paul is going to do nothing. And the ONLY way you will ever do something in the future, is to infiltrate from the inside. Think about this, what
if Ron Paul was a hawk and he talked about how and why its good to be in Iraq, how we are doing great things over there and with all this said, it was
all a front, all just talk. Then when he gets to where he wants to be, in control. Bang! Change it, make it better and destroy it from the inside.
This is the only way you will change anything or anyone.
And the only other option is civil war. Think about the day those unarmed protesters were gunned down on American soil, now think what would have
happened if the rest of the people there that days stood together and did not scatter, did not walk away from that point, instead marched on, and that
march and protest grew, grew in the minds of Government “out of control” Think about that and then think about the change that would have come
from that.
Americans need to start fighting fire with fire, because every time you use water, they just light more fires.
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 08:05 AM by jsobecky
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reply to post by mybigunit
Don't get me wrong; I'm all for smaller gov't and less war. But I'm also for a strong national defense. And that needs to be financed via taxes.
Down goes his proposal about eliminating income taxes. Better that we have a flat tax.
Isolationism is impractical and foolish. The world is one big global market with local idiosyncracies. We cannot survive alone, nor would I want
to.
Getting rid of the Federal Reserve and going back to the gold standard? It could never happen unless we had one big global financial RESET button.
But the thing that really bothers me, and the thing that has kept him out of the running, is the association with Alex Jones and such people. Those
ideas make him look like a fringe element candidate.
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 09:29 AM by mybigunit
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You can still have a strong national defense and no income taxes. Under a mybigunit administration there would still be corporate taxes + the excise
taxes. Also any country that doesnt give us fair access to their markets like we give them gets their tariffs jacked up. Also I would nationalize
oil there is no need to have it privatized and that would be an additional income. The numbers that I came up with would give us around 1 trillion a
year to work with. And because in the mybigunit administration the only thing the federal government really does in national defense and
infrastructure and I wouldnt have the 700 bases in 130 countries over seas the US would have space aged weapons because ALL of that money would be
going towards advanced weaponry and training with around $200 billion a year going to roads, bridges, dams, and mass transit....oh yeah I would create
an autobahn type road here in the states. All of the above is how I would do it no necessarily RP but when you cut the policing of the world, the
welfare, and policing here locally and put that stuff in the states hands that saves the federal government a lot of money.
Sorry for the lack of paragraphs. Vote Mybigunit 2012 thats when Im making my congressional stand 
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 10:02 AM by NovusOrdoMundi
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Originally posted by jsobecky
But I'm also for a strong national defense. And that needs to be financed via taxes
Why are people so worried about our National Defense? We spend over $600 billion on our military, and China, who I believe is 2nd in spending, spends
roughly $100 billion.
Why are they considered a threat?
Our Navy - the best in the world. Our Air Force - one of the best in the world. Our Special Ops. - one of the best in the world. Our Army - stable and
strong. Our Marines - stable and strong, one of the best in the world.
Whats the problem?
No one is going to invade this country. No one could even get 10 miles inland. THAT is National Defense. That is a very strong National Defense.
So is it that we're worried about our National Defense? Or is it because we want a global military power capable of invading others? Most countries
build their military to defend their country. We build ours to invade everyone else.
Originally posted by jsobecky
But the thing that really bothers me, and the thing that has kept him out of the running, is the association with Alex Jones and such
people.
I agree with you on him being in association with Alex Jones. But that doesn't change his policies. That doesn't change the fact that he is the best
hope for this country.
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 10:52 AM by pooty
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Originally posted by The_Alarmist2012
reply to post by tezzajw
You are not wrong, however you have taken something from my post out of context. In my opinion Ron Paul is a lame duck, yet still attracts support for
what appears to be a wasted viral campaign, one which he stands no chance of winning, so what is the point?
The point was to restore constitutional government and his campaign has moved into that area and that is the reason he gains more and more support.
To deflect people from issues that are important and from those candidates who do have the best chance of winning, or to spread disinformation,
further distance those who are truly seeking change from where they have a real chance to make a difference?
perhaps some people want real change instead of the same thing we've had for the last hundred years.Perhaps some people care about thier freedoms.
Perhaps some people realise our officals no longer pay any attention to our voices.Some people are willing to research just what these people vote for
and if it is constitutional.
and what difference are you talking about?The taking of the peoples money in a different area?And what change?Neither I nor the american people
need
change that takes away more freedoms and that is what ron pauls campaign was and continues to be about.
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 11:20 AM by jfj123
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Originally posted by mybigunit
It is inevitable and there is nothing the people are going to do about it. The propaganda machine has worked on the 99% population so this will go
through and we informed ones will have to sit back and sigh in disgust. Im telling you man ignorance really is bliss. I sometimes want to give up
all my knowledge just so I can be a sheeple like the rest of these people.
From my understanding, the vast majority of the public has no interest in starting another conflict. The problem is they are so wrapped up in their
own lives and problems, they are overwhelmed at the thought of even attempting to make change so they hope that someone else finally stands up for
them and makes change.
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 12:07 PM by jsobecky
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Ooooow..you sound too much like a socialist for me, friend.
I tend more towards individuality and free markets.
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 12:10 PM by mybigunit
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Umm socialist? Can you tell me how you arrive at Im a socialist when I say to get the federal government out of everything?
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 12:14 PM by jsobecky
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reply to post by NovusOrdoMundi
Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
Originally posted by jsobecky
But the thing that really bothers me, and the thing that has kept him out of the running, is the association with Alex Jones and such
people.
I agree with you on him being in association with Alex Jones. But that doesn't change his policies. That doesn't change the fact that he is the best
hope for this country.
It doesn't change what his policies are today. But give him a year or so of frustration from having every plan thwarted (as we know they will
be), and he will start turning more and more to people like AJ for "advice". AJ will then become his "shaman", and then - meet the new
religion. 
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