Jolting tales surface of satanic rituals

reply to post by sir_chancealot


go away troll unless you actually know me.

it is painfully apaprant that your closed minded and believe your ultra nationalistic right wing opinion is the only one that matters.

go to germany and see if your views count for anything.

which btw im not from germany

Originally posted by mr-lizard

I find that so amusing, considering how tolerant hinduism has been to most other religions, embracing jesus, budda and mohammed as just three amongst many other so called enlightened beings.

Yet it's the christians that consider their gods demons.

They hypocrisy would be funny if it wasn't so true.

Yet you quote it like you know what you're on about, India has christians living side by side with hindu's, sikhs, jain's, buddists, muslims and many others, in relative peace considering the size of the sub-continent.

I also find it really funny, that I, the atheist is the one who is correcting the religious here.

Actually Hinduism is not that tolerant and considers the Abrahamic faiths (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) as products of the Asuras, the demonic gods.

On topic post,

Has anyone checked out their site and actually read much of it.

They appear to be "New Age", but the triangle on the their seal does look like it has the number Six at each point, making 666.

They go on quite abit about Indigo Children bringing about a New World Order, Age of Aquarius, Vibrations, Auras, Atlantis, Middle east peace, and offer balms and herbs, teas, oils, CDs, tarot, rune casting, plus help establishing a coven.

Now I have started some threads that may sound "New Age" but I assure you theyre not and have more to do with Platonism, the great Jewish Philosopher Philo of Alexandria, and Esoterica. I'm critical of much New Age thought and concepts, most of which can be traced back Theosophy.

I dont know what these people really were, I have a feeling they may of called themselves "Luciferian" behind closed doors. This is a disturbing trend I have noticed among some New Age teachings. I blame Christianity for part of this mess, by taking a figure from a prophecy about the fall of the King of Babylon and equating him with Satan.

At some point during the Age of Enlightenment, Humanists took this concept further and made it into some kind of Promethean Hero, thus Luciferianism was born. Eventually the concept of Libertine emerged out of this "enlightenment", Marquis De Sade was one of these Libertines to give you an idea what kind of people they were. Pretty freaking sick humans who delighted in sadism, nihilism, and "true freedom". The kind of freedom where people can rape and mutilate children. I see these people as modern Libertines and probably in their minds Luciferians.

I think this kind of sadistic behavior is more widespread than people realize. There are many of these kind of people in power who are sadistic pedaphiles who partake in very deviant behavior, the kind that would make the acts in the film Hostel look tame.


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I happen to believe Arizona Wilder and other testimonies concerning the occult luciferean and satanic connections to all leaders. In an account about police in England, and for all I know this could be everywhere, you could not even advance without participating in a ritual child murder, and have the blood on your hands. That guy didn't advance.

Perhaps thats the ticket for advancement for all the PTB, in almost every country.

I believe the testimonies and keep my eyes on all our leaders.

Given the website that these folks were working on and the theme of it, it doesn't sound to me like these people are into satanic stuff at all.

I dont really think you can tell much about someone's sexual deviations just by looking a website they have created. Unless it's a porn site of course.

Reserving judgement is of course a good thing, but y'know what they say, there's no smoke without fire. But lets see about this, we'll see if any forensic evidence can prove this one way or the other.

Originally posted by blueorder

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage

The majority of the people on this planet have some type of fetish. Who are you or I to say what "normal" is? Marrying girls that hadn't reached puberty yet was normal in my country about a hundred to two hundred years ago. Something being normal doesn't make it right or wrong. A society at the given time decides what normal means.

All I know is that I tolerate and accept others for who they are long as they aren't hurting anyone else. That is a hell of a lot more "Christ" like than judging people. Meh.

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It is a statement of fact, it isn't normal, because most people do not do it, ie it is not the norm, don't see why people get so hang up on the correct usage of this term

What fact are you talking about? If you want to talk about normal MOST people have a type of fetish. Therefore fetishes are automaticly normal? Normal is a word that does not belong in a discussion because everyone regards it differently and what is normal for one nation will become un-normal years from now, and what is un-normal will become normal, as it has before. THAT was my point.


And to Shadowflux, I come back here and see you are still wasting your time ..SNIP...? Why bother? God spoke against organized religion, and ritualistic worship. That is all current Christians and Catholics seem to do. How much you want to bet the biggest God horn tooters in this forum go to church? Don't bother with a word they say, they are not the true followers of Christ, much as they'd like to believe so, they speak for themselves, not their religion, and they certainly do not speak for God. No one can, no matter how many quotes they pick out of a big contradicting book.


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Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage

And to Shadowflux, I come back here and see you are still wasting your time? Why bother? God spoke against organized religion, and ritualistic worship. That is all current Christians and Catholics seem to do. How much you want to bet the biggest God horn tooters in this forum go to church? Don't bother with a word they say, they are not the true followers of Christ, much as they'd like to believe so, they speak for themselves, not their religion, and they certainly do not speak for God. No one can, no matter how many quotes they pick out of a big contradicting book.

You're exactly right. In fact, it's people like these that led me to Satanism in the first place. There was a time when I had to go to church everyday, sometimes twice a day, and each day was a different religion's service (Catholic, Methodist, Jewish and non-denom). Being ever hungry for new information I sought to have conversations with the various leaders. However, all I received in return was ostracization and that has been the case for me every time I tried to speak with a religious leader.

The last person I scared off was a Methodist Pastor who was interested in talking to me, when I showed up with a bible full of notes and questions regarding the contradiction of non-trinitarian dogma in the gospels coupled with the Nicene Creed's profession of trinitarianism he refused to speak to me again.

I'm not going to adhere to a belief system that doesn't allow me to question it and more over demonizes me for having questions.


On Topic: I'm never surprised to hear allegations of "dark arts" in relation to the government. We have to remember that many of the people in government were or still are members of fraternal organizations who participate in ritualized behavior on a regular basis. Whether it's Skull and Bones, Freemasonry or the Bohemian Club these people are obviously quite accustomed to non-Christian ritual whether or not it's a serious ritual.

Government, especially the current US government is indeed quite un-Christian and I defy anyone to deny that fact. Governments run on Earthly power, subjugation, greed, subversion and lies. It's whole purpose is to increase and maintain it's power over it's citizens even to the detriment of those under it's control. Couple all that with the obvious and secretive ritualistic behavior it's a wonder anyone is surprised that someone in power could be caught in something like this.

If you're looking for "true followers of the dark arts" then you need look no further than government. That isn't to say that everyone in government is an "evil" SNIP but it certainly seems to me that government follows a darker philosophy than most "normal" citizens.


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This is just a follow up from last night:

First, "Do what thou wilt...." is NOT LaVey, it's Crowley, who certainly followed his philosophy all the way to disgusting new heights. Here's a quote from Wiki:

Thelema is a philosophy of life based on the rule or law, "Do what thou wilt." The ideal of "Do what thou wilt" and its association with the word Thelema goes back to François Rabelais, but was more fully developed[1] and proselytized[2] by Aleister Crowley, who founded a religion[3] named Thelema based on this ideal.

Secondly, here's that video I promised, if you don't know anything about LaVey or the Church of Satan, or you have only read his books, or if you're just into this stuff, here is "Speak With the Devil". A 90 min documentary about LaVey where he talks about his passions, careers, music, life and philosophy. Hell, you even see him with his wife and kids and their lion lol
(feel free to correct me if I've linked this wrong)

Speak With The Devil

Well, you are very, very wrong. Hindus and Christians and Muslims and Sikhs do not live side by side in India in peace and tranquillity. Hindu violence against Christians and Muslims is an enormous problem. The Sikhs have problems with both Hindu and Muslim violence against them, and unlike the Christians they are perfectly happy to respond in kind.

Excuse me, I spent many, many months travelling across India, from the cities to the beaches, through the jungles, plains and deserts, to the foothills and mountains of the himalaya's... from the poorest slums to the marble palaces.
I do think I know what I'm on about.

I saw many, many aspects of Indian life.
I suggest you stop reading the newspapers, save up some money and maybe go somewhere to open your eyes a little.
Before coughing up any old rubbish that you people seem so happy to circulate.

Thanks

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage


We are called to fellowship.

Matthew 18

20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

We gather together to worship and praise the Lord, to learn and interpret Scripture, and to offer mutual support to fellow believers.

Hebrews 10

24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

reply to post by MikeboydUS


I checked their website out, and looked it over pretty good. I missed the 666 in the logo, though. Something about it didn't seem right, but it didn't click until I read your post.

reply to post by Icarus Rising


Hey Icarus, got any of those bible quotes that refer to false profits to spread around? Some descriptions uncannily resemble your religions ministers and leaders.

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Whenever we're together.
Through rain and wind and weather.
I love to feel the leather when I ride.
Rawhide!!!!



Nothing is ever wrong between consenting adults, but kidnapping and restraining unwilling participants is a big no no.

reply to post by Shadowflux


I think any church that adheres to a creed is a problem.
A creed, to me, is a tool of coercion.
When I was young, there was an old man who would stand up in church, every week and say he did not believe that the Holy Ghost was a person.
We were not required to accept a creed, so no one bothered him.
Most of Christianity does have a big problem because of the doctrine of the trinity.
One good example of an un-answered problem in the Bible is, how did Jesus celebrate the Passover (at the Last Supper), when he died before Passover started?
So, institutional Christianity has to be looked at in a very critical way.
Belonging to a church is not a guarantee for salvation.
Ritual is a form of mind control.
Religion without ritual and creeds is the way to go, in my opinion but good luck finding one.
We are given tools to look into the belief system and figure it out for ourselves.
But, trading one set of rituals for another is not the road to enlightenment.
This probably does not make sense to most people and is not on topic, but my point is no institution is going to answer all your questions and they all have big flaws.
Joining one because it is anti-whatever you came from, is the road to negativity and is not ultimately healthy.

Originally posted by mr-lizard

Excuse me, I spent many, many months travelling across India, from the cities to the beaches, through the jungles, plains and deserts, to the foothills and mountains of the himalaya's... from the poorest slums to the marble palaces.
I do think I know what I'm on about.

You were a tourist.

I saw many, many aspects of Indian life.
I suggest you stop reading the newspapers, save up some money and maybe go somewhere to open your eyes a little.
Before coughing up any old rubbish that you people seem so happy to circulate.

I lived in Kerala for five years, then three years in Mumbai, followed by five difficult years in Calcutta. I know India. I am glad you had such a positive experience as a tourist there. It is a nation with incredible variety and beauty.

Nonetheless, communal violence has been as much a part of it in the modern period as the mountains or the palaces.

The Sikh Kristallnacht

Hindu violence against Christians in Orissa

Attacks on Indian Christians
= = = = =

Back to the OP, here are the arrested individuals in their own words from their website:
Indigo Dawn • Who We Are

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I have to agree with you on this. I've always felt it was wrong to accept a creed, or basically a blanket statement about your beliefs, that few understand and that I feel is wrong. My own personal interpretation of the Bible was of a non-traditional and non-trinitarian view of the relationship between the Father and the Son. However, every Sunday, like robots, the congregation would profess their belief in the trinity through the recitation of the Nicene Creed.

It was through reading the Bible that I realized that most of the churches I had attended were in fact forcing us to profess lies in church, in front of their holiest objects. It was then that I began noticing the omission of certain passages in the Bible, the wrong interpretations of certain stories and the total lack of any historical fact behind most of the tenants and doctrines. I need not even delve into the molestation of the Bible by so called "officials".

I kept studying the Bible and it became quite apparent that Jesus spoke out against much of what is done in church. He spoke out against organized religion, he spoke out against religious leaders (who were the ones to have him crucified) and he spoke out against blatant public displays of your own "holiness"

So, it was actually Jesus who made me turn away from the churches and most organized forms of Christianity.

I didn't turn to Satanism because it was the opposite of what I had before, I turned to it because I felt it's basic teachings were congruent with what I've always felt and believed. I also don't really participate in any rituals except my morning ritual of coffee and smokes on the front stoop. Personally, Satanism is more of a philosophy than a religion in the typical sense since I don't have much need for ritual.

Jesus wouldn't be mad at me, he said "You must be either hot or cold but not lukewarm".

reply to post by renrivers

I have also been told that there is a belief among some soldiers in Satanism, and that the extent and prevalence of it in the military is being covered up.

After reading your post this morning, I was watching some TV early this afternoon, and just happened to stop on the Military Channel just as "Around the Services" was wrapping up. The final segment was about a concert and personal visit to the troops in Germany by, you guessed it, KISS.

I'm not making a big deal out of it, I was a big KISS fan as a kid, but the troops featured were gushing over the guys. Of course, I now know that KISS stands for Knights In Satan's Service. It stuck out to me because I read your post this morning then just happened to see the segment at the end of "Around the Services." There is no such thing as coincidence to me anymore.

Geraldo Rivera's broadcast on satanic murders:

Geraldo Rivera's Report - Part One


Geraldo Rivera's Report - Part Two

Originally posted by Icarus Rising
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Of course, I now know that KISS stands for Knights In Satan's Service.

Don't be rediculous, KISS doesn't stand for Knights (or Kids) In Satan's Service. The only thing evil about KISS is Gene's willingness to screw over friends to make even more money.

If you're looking for Satanic music there's a whole genre of it.

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You don't actually think that Geraldo Rivera, or Gerald Rivers as I call him, is a reputable journalist do you? The only clip of Geraldo you should show is Alex Jones driving him nuts.