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Worst child abuse in history - dont read if easily upset

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posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 05:44 PM
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Possesion IS A BIG PROBLEM. THINKING RAPE / ABUSE / TORTURE OF CHILDREN IS A VERY BLOODY BIG DEAL....

These people degrade and destroy children for sexual fun. For fun they will rape, sodomize and kill children. They may not die right away, but a life times guilt of abuse kills just as sure as a knife in the heart.



Any paedophile is a danger, for as long as they live to children. There is no cure, apart from a bullet to the base of the skull.

Think possession is OK ? well think of this... if nobody demanded this material no one would make it... and they all share out their own resources... they are all as guilty as hell, every single one of them, because if they possesse it, they are sure as hell tryinmg to provide their own 'stuff' to share.




posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 05:46 PM
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Personally, I'd be in favor of chemical or physical castration for this guy, if he actually created the offensive material. This is a way to prevent his likelihood of acting again.

Abuse of children is disgusting and I believe in a fair and just world deserves equal punishment. If he, as a more powerful and controlling individual, used that power to physically and sexually abuse a weaker individual, then it makes sense that the same should happen to him. Prison has a tendency to do that. However, in doing so, his abuser would then require the same abuse, and so on.

Capitol punishment is a symbol of a weak, immature and primitive society. Societies need to be tested in this way by the most sick, twisted and perverse individuals. That's when we find out what we are really made of. Are we killers, or do we have more to offer than that.



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 05:53 PM
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The problem with the arguments for rehabilitation and inprisonment are they treat rape and child molestation as regular crimes. These two crimes should be completely intolerable. There is no mitigating circumstance by which these two crimes can be justified. You can't compare these crimes to any other crimes, because objectively, these two are always bad. They are absolute.

If any human being commits these crimes once, they have forfeighted their entitlment to any human treatment what so ever in my opinion. So yes, humans can think about whatever they want to, that's fine. But once someone commits rape or child molestation, they deserve to die. There is no rationalizing their worth, as their previous actions show that they are beyond repair. Child molesters and rapists steal the lives/innocence of their victims, it is only right that their life be taken in response. It's not juding someone based on sexual preference, it's judging someone based on the fact that they are taking advantage of human beings in the worst possible of ways. Most things in life can be negotiated, but there is no room for negotiations with someone who has raped or molested a child. Even if they don't do it again, the one time is enough for eternal damnation in my eyes.



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Personally, I'd be in favor of chemical or physical castration for this guy, if he actually created the offensive material. This is a way to prevent his likelihood of acting again.


Alas that would still not prevent molestation or rape. In California and many states we have Meghans Law. This allows you as a citizen to check and see where these scum are being housed when they are let out. www.meganslaw.ca.gov.... Enter the database and search the city of San Jose. You will be shocked how many there are. You get an address and a picture

We have and will continue to participate in community based protests to drive these scum from our neighborhoods. In fact one has to be housed on the grounds of a state prison (He is on parole) because every comunnity hounded him out.

THis cannot be fixed by jail time or rehab. Like addicts they will ALWAYS be pedofiles.



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 05:59 PM
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Killing this guy is not murder. More like cutting out a piece of cancer. Whoever the individual may be, who serves this man his justice, commits not a crime against another human, but provides a service to all of humanity.



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 05:59 PM
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I am an advocate of capital punishment and a hardass when it comes to people like this.

However, in this case I think capital punishment would be a mistake.

If a paedo knew he would get death for his acts, then it would seem logical to eliminate any possible witness. Thus, the incentive to murder his victim.



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 05:59 PM
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Am....did I ever say his possession was not a problem? I got warning in the past for telling other member learn how to communicate and read properly...so I won't do it again, inspite the fact that you haven't read what I said.

If I recall correctly, I said that they should be more quick to deal with the big problem. And I began to mention the makers of such vids. That's the big problem, in comparison to watching VS. making the vid. He is a problem by himself, but is not as big a problem as the folks producing this garbage. I also said that, because he himself produced a few films himself, he should be punished for that accordingly(Long jail time). To be more precise, jail time with not even a fantasy of parole.

I said, the bigger problem are the people who practice it, not watch in. In other words...deal with the sick man...but ALSO, and more hastily, find and prosecute the sickos who make and star in such videos. Geez. English language man.


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posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 06:09 PM
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First of all.
I'm glad to see you around these parts Optimus!
Too bad it was for a story like this.


I'd like to make an attempt at explaining why, unless this person actually killed, they should not be executed.

It's simply because the death penalty is the last possible barrier, between abuse, and murder.

An innocent child's life might be spared, if there is a harsher penalty for killing, than there is for sexual abuse.

I'm saying that the parents STAND a CHANCE of getting their child back, if the perpetrator actually has a fear of death, and I think they do.

If there were no barrier, no higher penalty, the abuser might as well go ahead and kill the victim, because the penalty is the same.

A child might live, because of this.


Does that make any sense?



Originally posted by optimus fett



And all the people foaming at the mouth at this crime (which is horrendous) might do well to accept that your initial reaction may not be the most appropriate.


i know you from ats, your a decent person that i respect.

My reaction seems pretty damn appropriate to me and quite honestly i dont care what comparrisons can be drawn to smoking pot and then it escalating to gang violence - its not even in the same league, however i see the point you are trying to make; completley have no interest for it, but see it never the less.

simple, get caught for rape or pheodophillia, pay with your life. End Of.



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 06:11 PM
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Most murderers think that way, or in some way want to justify their crimes.

Our society becomes better by bettering ourselves, not killing ourselves.

[edit on 27-6-2008 by Rasobasi420]



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 06:14 PM
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Yes. Iow, as I said

If a paedo knew he would get death for his acts, then it would seem logical to eliminate any possible witness. Thus, the incentive to murder his victim.



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 06:17 PM
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My dad was an LA cop for 22 years, and he told me 2 type of people do not last in prison, one is cops (obviously) and two (and even worse) are child molesters. The hardcore criminals, who are lifers in prison, have a code, and punishing grown men who hurt children is one of them. Child molesters get theirs in prison, trust me.



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by optimus fett
i am truly saddened - why must we protect these people?

i defy anyone to come up with a theory on why these scum should still be jailed as opposed to executed.

40 years we have kept brady alive, all that pain he inflicted on those children and their familys, i have lost all faith in british justice - give me a goverment that will execute phaedophiles and they can have my vote.



In theory I can not argue with what you are saying. Pedofiles in my opinion are unworthy of my air and should be executed. In that we are in total agreement. Where the problem lies is in that the legal system is not perfect. What about someone who is falsely accused? I don't know about the UK, but I do know in the US we have countless people in jail who were convicted and are indeed innocent.

To take it a step a further... there are some gray areas in the law when it comes to sex and minors. Let me ask you this question before you start screaming for heads to roll....... Would you support a law that would have killed THIS GUY?



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by Rasobasi420
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Most murderers think that way, or in some way want to justify their crimes.

Our society becomes better by bettering ourselves, not killing ourselves.

[edit on 27-6-2008 by Rasobasi420]


Understood, however I have no problem justifying the murder of this individual, and those party to the creation of the material in question. Society is indeed made better by bettering ourselves, these people are not part of "ourselves". Society becomes a better one the moment these people are not part of it.

I can find compassion for those who steal, rob, even murder. I cannot, under any circumstances find the least bit of compassion for anyone who enjoys torturing an infant so young that the umbilical cord is still attached so much that they must have a freakin' photo to remember it by.



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 06:33 PM
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Of course it's easy to justify murder dude, that's what murderers do. If they couldn't justify it, they wouldn't do it.

State sanctioned murder and, whatever the justification, is still murder. Just because we can't think of another way doesn't make it right, it just means we're not thinking hard enough.

It means we don't understand ourselves, and we fear ourselves. So, we kill what we fear.

[edit on 27-6-2008 by Rasobasi420]



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by EverythingYouDespise

Originally posted by optimus fett


When will we learn people, when will we learn - there is no place in society for these people....


That's a little extreme, if you ask me. You want to judge somebody based on their sexual proclivities? I don't. We're all a product of nature and it's not our fault (or even wrong) if we happen to have been born with desires that other people find offensive. I don't like the way bananas taste, but I don't think everyone who likes to eat them should be rounded up and killed.

As long as this man doesn't actually go out and rape children (which would be a crime because it physically violates another person, I don't have a problem with consensual sex with minors) I think he should be free to look at whatever pornographic material he chooses to. Anti-child pornography laws are ridiculously harsh.


Now before you attack me by saying he's raped children in the past, let me just state that he's served his time for those offenses and perhaps looking at pornographic depictions of child molestation and fantasizing about it is the only thing that prevents him from acting upon his urges with an actual child again.

Be less judgemental, because there isn't a single person in the world who doesn't have sexual tastes that another would find objectionable.

[edit on 27-6-2008 by EverythingYouDespise]


Then you are as sick as they are!!!

There certainly are some people in this world who have sexual desires that would'nt offend anyone, except for the sickos of course and they don't count as human!



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
I am an advocate of capital punishment and a hardass when it comes to people like this.

However, in this case I think capital punishment would be a mistake.

If a paedo knew he would get death for his acts, then it would seem logical to eliminate any possible witness. Thus, the incentive to murder his victim.



How many babies do you think survive being raped by a grown man?????



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by Rasobasi420
reply to post by Unit541
 


Of course it's easy to justify murder dude, that's what murderers do. If they couldn't justify it, they wouldn't do it.

State sanctioned murder and, whatever the justification, is still murder. Just because we can't think of another way doesn't make it right, it just means we're not thinking hard enough.

It means we don't understand ourselves, and we fear ourselves. So, we kill what we fear.

[edit on 27-6-2008 by Rasobasi420]



I fear for the children, so show us another solution.



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 06:51 PM
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No reason not to torture, maim, and then execute him with extreme prejudice.

Hell, give him to the victims families and then forget about him.



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by A curious cat

I fear for the children, so show us another solution.


Top of my head, don't have one. But does that mean we don't bother thinking of one?

That's just lazy.



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by Rasobasi420

Originally posted by A curious cat

I fear for the children, so show us another solution.


Top of my head, don't have one. But does that mean we don't bother thinking of one?

That's just lazy.


No it doesn't mean we don't think of one, but untill someone comes up with another solution then it is preferable to allowing it to continue.

If you are suggesting doing nothing in the absence of an alternative then what do you call that?



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