Worst child abuse in history - dont read if easily upset

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
Oh and this animal is repeat offender:

Morley, who had previous convictions for rape, attempted rape and indecent assault against children, and was a registered sex offender, used a false name and address and an internet cafe to avoid detection.

So PLEASE tell me again why he should LIVE? Go ahead....TRY IT.

[edit on 27-6-2008 by greeneyedleo]

I have been judged, as fairly liberal, but here is where I get hardcore straight up evil. I have a son and 2 daughters. Anyone, and I mean anyone did anything like that to my kids, they would hope and pray for a swift death.

I am not one for torture...this case is the exception. His final, agonizing months on this earth would full of the absolutely worst things that could ever been done to any person, and have them survive it. Even then I think it would him getting off easy. Knowing the pain he has put these children through from birth and scaring that will be there burden for the rest of their lives would be plenty of justification in my mind for what I would do. If any of them were old enough, I would let them have go at it.

I do believe that we should be above torture and endless pain, but things like this make me rethink that.

I have been judged, as fairly liberal, but here is where I get hardcore straight up evil. I have a son and 2 daughters. Anyone, and I mean anyone did anything like that to my kids, they would hope and pray for a swift death.

I have a little girl, i have life full of love from my family and my friends, i go out of my way to help others.

I will never, never, never be made to feel guilty for the hatred i have for these demons - i wont be made to feel like a bad person because they bring out the deep rooted inner genetic code that was placed in us all to protect those that cannot protect themselves.

i am proud of your reactions and stand comforted knowing that ats members have been quick to unite with a common feeling, thank you. my faith in hummanity is somewhat restored.

Ok ok... so their are situations where human torture is justified. I now concede that point. Obviously, as he's got several rape convictions already, the prison system is monumentally over burdened. I just want to do my share and help my brothers and sisters across the pond out a bit, and take him off your hands. So, who should I contact about applying to "house" this guy in my basement (only to offer a little relief to the prison system that is...)? Heh, we could all have annual ATS parties at my place and each member would get some time to personally "question" this individual...

I don't even consider people like this human anymore. Just kill the disgusting vermin. If there isn't a God, atleast it's one less cancer on the planet. If there is a God, hopefully this guy rots in hell for all of eternity. Either way, to let a man like this go on living is almost a way of validating his behavior. We all need to take accountability for our actions, he knew what he was doing, now he deserves the ultimate punishment. He doesn't deserve forgiveness or compassion, he lost those rights when he stole the innocence of those children.

Lets not forget that I never defended this guy, or committed his crimes, so just because you can't yell directly at him, don't vilify me in his place.

Now that that's out of the way, lets look at this logically instead of passionately shall we?

So far, the argument is that this crime leads to much harsher crimes (although if you read the article you'd see that he had previous convictions for rape and attempted rape, which might have a better chance at arguing for a death sentence).

However, since not all cases of possession of this type of material leads to rape and murder, we can't punish for what someone 'might' do. Otherwise, we might as well execute a pot smoker for his possible future crimes of murder and gang violence.

And all the people foaming at the mouth at this crime (which is horrendous) might do well to accept that your initial reaction may not be the most appropriate.

In the US prison system, police officers are forced to keep pedophiles and (other criminals who committed crimes against children) away from the general prison population, or else they will be tortured and killed.

If this is the same in the UK, and the man is in prison for the rest of his life, he's going to go through hell for the rest of his life, by both inmates and police officers.

Karma works in wonderful ways.

And all the people foaming at the mouth at this crime (which is horrendous) might do well to accept that your initial reaction may not be the most appropriate.

i know you from ats, your a decent person that i respect.

My reaction seems pretty damn appropriate to me and quite honestly i dont care what comparrisons can be drawn to smoking pot and then it escalating to gang violence - its not even in the same league, however i see the point you are trying to make; completley have no interest for it, but see it never the less.

simple, get caught for rape or pheodophillia, pay with your life. End Of.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Lets not forget that I never defended this guy, or committed his crimes, so just because you can't yell directly at him, don't vilify me in his place.

Now that that's out of the way, lets look at this logically instead of passionately shall we?

So far, the argument is that this crime leads to much harsher crimes (although if you read the article you'd see that he had previous convictions for rape and attempted rape, which might have a better chance at arguing for a death sentence).

However, since not all cases of possession of this type of material leads to rape and murder, we can't punish for what someone 'might' do. Otherwise, we might as well execute a pot smoker for his possible future crimes of murder and gang violence.

And all the people foaming at the mouth at this crime (which is horrendous) might do well to accept that your initial reaction may not be the most appropriate.

Ras, I think see the disconnect here. He WAS the one committing the rapes and distributing the materials.

Morley, 64, of Greenford, Middlesex, pleaded guilty to 50 counts of distributing, making and possessing hundreds of indecent images of children between January 11 and March 6 this year.

[edit on 27-6-2008 by Rook1545]

Originally posted by Rasobasi420 However, since not all cases of possession of this type of material leads to rape and murder, we can't punish for what someone 'might' do. Otherwise, we might as well execute a pot smoker for his possible future crimes of murder and gang violence.

Except that the vast majority of pot smokers do NOT go on to violent crimes whereas every possessor of child porn is at least thinking about offending.

Anyway, in this case this guy was producing it so your point is moot.

Yes the US Supreme Court ruled the death penalty is off the table. Now if only they would have added a recomendation of outsourcing these criminals to a nice Turkish Prison then I would have been okay with it.

Only a matter of time and one day the people will rise up and change....who am I deluding the only time we get up is the change the channel when the batteries in the remote are dead.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420

However, since not all cases of possession of this type of material leads to rape and murder, we can't punish for what someone 'might' do. Otherwise, we might as well execute a pot smoker for his possible future crimes of murder and gang violence.

And all the people foaming at the mouth at this crime (which is horrendous) might do well to accept that your initial reaction may not be the most appropriate.

I see your point, but if you have never had any experience of these monsters then you don't realise how possession of this material does lead to commiting actual abuse and rape. Just because they are not caught doesn't mean they have not offended. This is a different thing entirely to smoking pot or planning a robbery or even planning a murder, entirely different.

For some strange reason they are let out over and over again (the ones that are caught) after ridiculously short sentences. In my opinion when one of them gets away with a light sentence the judge should be investigated because there is something VERY wrong.

As far as killing them, I try everyday to be somebody that would never take a life or even want to take a life but in the case of these inhuman monsters I will sacrifice my soul if it stops another child from suffering.

Most of them are never caught in the first place.

Originally posted by TheComte
whereas every possessor of child porn is at least thinking about offending.

You do not know every posessor of child porn, therefore you cannot say that is true.

While I can obviously see that THIS person was previously in legal trouble for things regarding children, and was guilty of making child pornography, not all cases are so black and white.
I think we can all agree that there is a big difference between a newborn and a 17 year old, both are considered child pornography however.
Someone who has "child pornography" of someone who is a teenager is probably not thinking of having sex with a baby.

People let their emotions take hold of them when something involves kids.

In fact, I can safely say that many people who posess (i admit, not involving babies, but young children and teens) child pornography would never consider doing anything themselves.
Not to mention, pedophilia is a term thrown around loosely.
Pedophiles are ONLY attracted to prepubescent children.
They could not hold a relationship with a grown person, as adult bodies are not attractive to them.
Less than 5% of child molesters are pedophiles, and less than 1% of pedophiles are child molesters.
The reason?
They LOVE children, they don't want to hurt them, and they understand that sexual relationships would harm prepubescent children, both physically and emotionally.

Flame away, but just know that I'm not defending THIS person, but rather a group of people who would not do this, but are assumed to want to/to have done this.
I don't like seeing these threads turn into "pedophiles should be killed"

Not to mention, he'll get the worst treatment of his life if they let the other prisoners anywhere near him at any time.
Probably as bad as or worse than you could do yourself.

The sick b*strd needs to be punished properly. I absolutely DO NOT agree with capital punishment. Why should he get off with it so lightly. These poor children (if they are even old enough to remember) will have to live the rest of their lives with this being one of their earliest childhood memories.. I can not think of anything that could be done to this evil twisted excuse for a human being that could compare to that

Whats even more disturbing is he will likely try to claim he's "sick", and needs rehabilitating.

BS.

I can't think of a punishment horrific enough for this guy... even slowly roasting him on a spit would be letting him off easy.

Who knows what evil lurks in the minds of men, indeed. You couldn't make it up, could you?

Originally posted by BiohazardsBack

In fact, I can safely say that many people who posess (i admit, not involving babies, but young children and teens) child pornography would never consider doing anything themselves.

Sorry, but I disagree 100%. Possessors of child porn absolutely do consider offending. Otherwise, why acquire the material at all? If you answer to satisfy their desires, then by inference they are thinking about it.

Originally posted by optimus fett


When will we learn people, when will we learn - there is no place in society for these people....

That's a little extreme, if you ask me. You want to judge somebody based on their sexual proclivities? I don't. We're all a product of nature and it's not our fault (or even wrong) if we happen to have been born with desires that other people find offensive. I don't like the way bananas taste, but I don't think everyone who likes to eat them should be rounded up and killed.

As long as this man doesn't actually go out and rape children (which would be a crime because it physically violates another person, I don't have a problem with consensual sex with minors) I think he should be free to look at whatever pornographic material he chooses to. Anti-child pornography laws are ridiculously harsh.

Now before you attack me by saying he's raped children in the past, let me just state that he's served his time for those offenses and perhaps looking at pornographic depictions of child molestation and fantasizing about it is the only thing that prevents him from acting upon his urges with an actual child again.

Be less judgemental, because there isn't a single person in the world who doesn't have sexual tastes that another would find objectionable.

[edit on 27-6-2008 by EverythingYouDespise]

So, what if thunk it. Doesn't mean you'll do it. Most folks with some sort of sense of reality and self control know how to differenciate between fantasy and reality. So many straight guys look at transsexual porn, and most would never have sex with a transsexual. Many couples and single folk look at very kinky stuff, but would never actually try some of the things that even gets them aroused. They may think it...but, last time I check, thinking something doesn't make you guilty of anything. If we all were arrested for our thoughts...the streets would be nearly empty.

So, saying, they think it, and because they have it in their possession isn't the big problem.

I'm not defending this man at all, I'm just saying, be logical about your statements...no matter what kind of emotions the incident brings out of you.

Moving on, this man is sick and needs help...or jail...for a long time. But, what happened to the big problem? It's like me watching someone kill someone online(there are movies...and realities about this), but am I the big problem? No! Where did I get the footage? Who filmed it? Who organized it? Who are the perpetrators? This guy created a few films they say...so he himself is a supplier for some of this disgraceful smut. But, where do the other's come from? Where does he get it?

They need to track down the folks on the video is what they should be making a big deal about. Track them down. The people who filmed it...the folks who are in the footage. Those are the folks that also need to be behind bars.

Now that that's out of the way, lets look at this logically instead of passionately shall we?

So far, the argument is that this crime leads to much harsher crimes (although if you read the article you'd see that he had previous convictions for rape and attempted rape, which might have a better chance at arguing for a death sentence).

However, since not all cases of possession of this type of material leads to rape and murder, we can't punish for what someone 'might' do. Otherwise, we might as well execute a pot smoker for his possible future crimes of murder and gang violence.

You make me shake my head in utter amazement.

Comparing a pot smoker to a paedophile ? Possesion of these images already means a rape or assault has taken place. possesion of these images makes them an accomplice to the crime as they sought out these images, and because of this demand and exchange of materials makes them as guilty because they want more and more...and create their own to swap with other paedophiles....

paedophiles are PROVEN to get worse and worse, never better. Their need for harder and harder materials is a well documented occurence. Its not pot smoking, its rape, abuse, torture, death...

I cannot believe you compare a pot smoker to a paedophile in your argument...

I would kill him with my bare hands if the judge needs an executioner, and every convicted paedophile in the system - i would also sleep very well at night too.

While I'm all for viewing all topics through objective eyes, I fail to see the comparison between this monsters crimes and pot smokers. I realize you were only making a point, and it's valid under most circumstances, but I have to disagree in this particular case. this person, can be viewed only as a detriment to society, no matter what perspective he's viewed from. Anyone who takes pleasure in the things that he does, is assuredly wired wrong, and needs to be scrapped.

I'm a pacifist, and generally a compassionate person (sometimes to my detriment), but I feel in cases such as this, the only valid reaction is a knee jerk reaction. I once took a rather harsh beating by a kid in high school for (non-violently) protesting his killing of a honey bee. I posted bond for a kid who stole my car, and visited prison inmates I didn't even know because they had no body else to visit them. However, nothing would make me happier than to be able to inflict severe bodily injury on this man, day in and day out for the rest of my life. With his blood on my hands, every day would be better than the last. This story has evoked emotions in me that I've never experienced before. This man better pray he doesn't cross paths with someone like me in prison. I do however, take solace in the fact that that prayer is likely to go unanswered, as there are more me's than there are him's, and I feel the authorities will have to go to extreme lengths to keep any sentence from becoming a death sentence.

Since I don't believe in heaven or hell in the Christian sense of the words, I feel I will meet this man on the "other side" (or next "level", or whatever you want to call it), and I'll looking to fill his after-life with the pain and misery the infants felt while these disgusting individuals were making the photographs this sicko is so fond of looking at. So fond in fact that he went to the trouble to build secret compartments in his car to hide the stuff? Was he pulling over on the side of the road to get his jollies off? This man, and those like him, are parasites and the human race is their host. These individuals must be eradicated swiftly and completely if the human race is to achieve it's fullest potential.

Sorry for the extended rant, I just can't get over this.