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Originally posted by RANT
Who is the father of Joseph?
MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
More where that came from...if you're up to it.
Originally posted by SimpleTruth
Haha, that's too bad about your teeth. Well, the 2 is referring to the fact that each kind of animal was put in the ark as pairs. One male and female, obviously so they could reproduce. However, I'm not sure what you're referring to about the 7. Just give me the verses, and it's ok if you want to do it later cuz of your teeth. In the meantime, I'll keep looking.
Originally posted by Valhall
RE: Who is the father of Joseph?
So my answer is the Jewish man Jacob who was called Heli.
Originally posted by RANT
Here ya go...
The number of beasts in the ark?
GEN 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
GEN 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, GEN 7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.
Originally posted by Amuk
A lot more than the other explantion but the fact still remains that he created us to be failures.
And the freewill thing dosent really cut it eather because say you go to heaven whats to stop you from sinning there?
Or does he stop the free will after you die?
And if he could keep sin out of heaven without stopping freewill why couldnt he do the same here?
Originally posted by OXmanK
This is one of my old posts. It is a very glaring inconsistency and I would love to hear your ideas how it isn't.
I know, I'll probably be flamed for bringing up an old issue, but it is a risk I will take.
First off, I know that the "fate vs. free will" argument will never be settled and definetly not by my little observations. It is like the Euthenasia debate or abortion debate. But anyway...
Just a little background, I am of a Judeo-Christian upbringing and live my life by the standards and commandments set in them. I have been thinking a while on my own faith and convictions and have been burdened with one thought. That the Christian bible has a huge loophole in it with the subject of free will and fate.
First off, God made us in his own image and yada yada yada. But he puts these two people in the Garden of Eden and told them not to eat the "forbidden fruit". Then, I believe, a couple days later Adam and Eve eat the fruit and thrown out of Eden. If this was all fated, one would argue, "Why would God even bother with telling them not to eat the fruit?" If this was all free will, then there would be no questions. Same could be said about Sodom and Gamorrah; "Why would God bother making a plan with Sodomites if he is just going to kill them all?"
That is the argument for free will, obviously.
For Fate, we have our prophets and prophecies. Jesus told Peter that he would betray/deny Jesus three times before the cock sounded. If there was free will, how would Jesus know this. Free will can only work if there is no ultimate plan. It would negate the idea of free will. There are also other predictions/fates in the bible.
It just doesn't add up to me. It contradicts itself. Therefore I conclude there is no God and there is only the lizard people....kidding.
I would love to hear what other people believe on this issue. If you can find anymore contradictions please feel free to posting them. Also, I'm not a blind follower of any train of thought and am open to ideas/suggestions/porn/whatever...anywho...thanks for reading this.
Originally posted by RANT
Just kidding. This one seems appropriate.
Do you answer a fool?
PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
Maybe I'll stop on that note.
Originally posted by SimpleTruth
Ok, about the crow. Could you point out the discrepancy please? I guess I didn't see what part doesn't match up. Thanks.
Originally posted by RANT
Originally posted by SimpleTruth
Ok, about the crow. Could you point out the discrepancy please? I guess I didn't see what part doesn't match up. Thanks.
It's nothing. Just a silly knitpicky thing. Some books say the "male chicken" crowed twice, some say he just crowed. Some passages also make it seem Peter remembered Jesus's words as the "male chicken" crows, or inbetween two crows, or right after it crows. Again, nothing to explain here... it's just inconsistency between authors.
Originally posted by Valhall
Originally posted by RANT
Here ya go...
The number of beasts in the ark?
GEN 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
GEN 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, GEN 7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.
Well, if you've got 7 - you've definitely got 2...so it's not a lie!...LOL
Originally posted by Faceless
Now this "serpent" is always believed to be the devil... why? This serpent came along and told the truth! This serpent wanted Adam and Eve to become knowledgable of who and what they were. This serpent set them free from the blindness and toil that the other deity enforced. Thats not evil! Thats helpful and even shows caring.
Originally posted by Loki
If you can explain all three of my little problems, I'll pick up my bible again.
GE 11:7-9 God sows discord.
PR 6:16-19 God hates anyone who sows discord.