Name Any "Inconsistency" Of The Bible, And I'll Explain How It's NOT Inconsistent

Just kidding. This one seems appropriate.

Do you answer a fool?

PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

Maybe I'll stop on that note.

Hey Rant, don't feel bad. That's what I had in mind for this thread. So bring up as many as you like, but maybe pace them a little, cuz it might be hard to keep up with them all.

Ok, about the crow. Could you point out the discrepancy please? I guess I didn't see what part doesn't match up. Thanks.

Originally posted by RANT
Just kidding. This one seems appropriate.

Do you answer a fool?

PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

Maybe I'll stop on that note.

These two verses seem to be in contradiction. But the writer is saying that we shouldn't take a foolish person seriously and try to reason with his or her empty arguments. This will only make him or her proud and determined to win the argument. In some situations, you ought not to even try to answer a fool, for there is no way you can penetrate his or her closed mind. You may, in fact, be stooping to that person's level if you do choose to answer. Such a fool will abuse you and you will be tempted to abuse him or her in return. There are other situations where your common sense tells you to answer in order to expose the fool's pride and fallacies. Make sense?

Originally posted by SimpleTruth
Ok, about the crow. Could you point out the discrepancy please? I guess I didn't see what part doesn't match up. Thanks.

It's nothing. Just a silly knitpicky thing. Some books say the "male chicken" crowed twice, some say he just crowed. Some passages also make it seem Peter remembered Jesus's words as the "male chicken" crows, or inbetween two crows, or right after it crows. Again, nothing to explain here... it's just inconsistency between authors.

Originally posted by RANT

Originally posted by SimpleTruth
Ok, about the crow. Could you point out the discrepancy please? I guess I didn't see what part doesn't match up. Thanks.

It's nothing. Just a silly knitpicky thing. Some books say the "male chicken" crowed twice, some say he just crowed. Some passages also make it seem Peter remembered Jesus's words as the "male chicken" crows, or inbetween two crows, or right after it crows. Again, nothing to explain here... it's just inconsistency between authors.

Oh, lol. So in that case, I think I'll follow those 2 proverbs verses, and apply them to you. Haha.

PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

Just kidding.

Originally posted by Valhall

Originally posted by RANT


Here ya go...

The number of beasts in the ark?

GEN 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

GEN 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, GEN 7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

Well, if you've got 7 - you've definitely got 2...so it's not a lie!...LOL

Is God Clean? People would consider god clean, sacred, ladidadida. The number of God is Seven...7. So tehre you have your clean number of 7...A godly number. The unclean, 2, Is for those to breed. A male and a female. Before Jesus died for us, weren't us humans meant to be born unclean? Isn't Baptism meant to help clean our souls for the mistakes that Adam and Eve made by bitting the fruit of the tree?

I remember reading once that scientists had genetically narrowed human origins down to 7 women.


Anyways sometimes hidden meanings are hidng around in places. You just have to know what to look for.



That still doesn't cover Our creation.

But another thing of old...such as that some of the older races on earth, int he early days used to believe that we had a spirit and a soul. Thus 2. So speaking as "us". I know i do it sometimes. "I have something to show you". "Yeah ok then show us it". "Can you please take us home?"

DaRage, yeah you bring up a few good points. I'm not sure if those numbers really referred to the body and spirit. I explained it a little ways back in the thread, but it could very well have a double meaning.

(The quotes are translations from the original Hebrew)

"And the Deity Yahweh planted an orchard
In Eden, in the east;
And he placed there the Adam
Whom He had created.
And the Deity Yahweh
Caused to grow from the ground
Every tree that is pleasent to the sight
And good for eating;
And the Tree of Life was in the orchard
And the Tree of Knowing good and evil...
And the Deity Yahweh took the Adam
And placed him in the Garden of Eden
To work it and to keep it.
And the Deity Yahweh
Commanded the Adam, saying:
"Of every tree of the orchard eat you shall;
but of the Tree of Knowing good and evil
thou shalt not eat of it;
for on the day that thou eatest therof
thou shalt surely die." "

"Yahweh took the Adam and placed him in the garden to work it and to keep it." Why did god create the Adam? God wanted a gardener. He gives no other reason for creating him.

God even LIED to Adam, saying that "on the day that thou eatest therof [the Tree of Knowing] thou shalt surely die." God wanted to keep his worker dumb using lies of death to scare him from attempting to eat the fruit.

"And the Serpent... said unto the woman [Eve]:
"Hath the Deity indeed said
'Ye shall not eat of any tree of the orchard'?"
And the woman said unto the Serpent:
"Of the fruits of the trees of the orchard
eat we may;
it is of the fruit of the tree in the
midst of the orchard that the Deity hath said:
'Ye shall not eat of it, neither touch it,
lest ye die.' "
And the Serpent said unto the woman:
"Nay, ye will surely not die;
It is that the Deity doth know
that on the day ye eat therof
your eyes will be opened
and ye will be as the Deity-
knowing good and evil."
And the woman saw that the tree was good to eat
And that it was lustful to behold;
And the tree was desirable to make one wise;
And she took of its fruit and did eat,
And gave also to her mate with her, and he ate.
and the eyes of both of them were opened,
And they knew that they were naked;
And they sewed fig leaves together,
And made themselves loincloths."

Now this "serpent" is always believed to be the devil... why? This serpent came along and told the truth! This serpent wanted Adam and Eve to become knowledgable of who and what they were. This serpent set them free from the blindness and toil that the other deity enforced. Thats not evil! Thats helpful and even shows caring.

I would like to explain sometihng about the word "adam". Do you notice how Adam is never refered to as just "Adam"? (The Englsih translations are wrong btw) He is always called "the Adam" indicating that this is not his name as such but something else that the gods have shall we say "labeled" him?
The term "adama" originally meant earth or soil, but more specifically dark-red soil. Like the parallel Akkadian word adamatu (dark red earth), the Hebrew term adama and the Hebrew word for red (adom) stem from the words for blood: adamu, dam. When the Bible calls the being created by god "the Adam" it employs a favorite Summerian linguistic play of double meanings. "The Adam" could mean "the one from the earth" (Earthling), "the one made of the dark red soil" and "the one made of blood"
God did not name his creation as he would something he loved, it is just a scientific label that was carried over in the translations. The Adam was no more than a tool to his god. (At this point in time at least).

"And the Deity Yahweh planted an orchard
In Eden, in the east;
And he placed there "the one created from blood"
Whom He had created.
And the Deity Yahweh
Caused to grow from the ground
Every tree that is pleasent to the sight
And good for eating;
And the Tree of Life was in the orchard
And the Tree of Knowing good and evil...
And the Deity Yahweh took "the one created from blood"
And placed him in the Garden of Eden
To work it and to keep it.
And the Deity Yahweh
Commanded "the one created from blood", saying:
"Of every tree of the orchard eat you shall;
but of the Tree of Knowing good and evil
thou shalt not eat of it;
for on the day that thou eatest therof
thou shalt surely die." "

God doesn't sound like much of a "father" to Adam when translated fully does he? Adam was not WHO he was, Adam was WHAT he was.

Eve means both "she of life" and "she of rib", because the word for both "rib" and "life" are the same word in Hebrew. Hence the simple mistranslation, Eve was made from Adams life and not his rib (which makes more sense in genetic terms).

So lets recap: On one hand we have "god", the so called one almighty loving being that created his children to love for all eternity. The one who in the bible lied and threatened with death and tried to keep his children docile and unknowing so they would keep his garden for him and then expelled them wanting nothing more to do with them when became "knowledgable". When god found out that Adam and Eve had eaten of the fruit he complains about thhe event to other unseen deities using the plurals "us". Obviously "god" didn't want this to happen, all he wanted was us to keep working his garden.

On the other hand we have "Satan" the evil lord of hell who likes to torture and corrupt blah blah blah. If this was really Satan then we ALL owe him one, without him we might still be working gods garden, this serpent never did anything evil, he helped Adam and Eve and freed them from the labor of the Deity Yahweh.

This doesn't sound like the conventional story of Creation but I havent changed/altered/edited anything, i have merely read it more clearly and with a more open mind and have seen that not all things make sense. If these two beings really are God and Satan (which I don't believe for a second) I know who I like the most and its not the Deity that wanted us to be his docile workers.

Why did the angels and god and all of heaven want humans to be dumb and "unknowledgable" ??
Surely thats not very angelic or godlike and certainly not very loving! Once Adam and Eve became smart god didnt want anything to do with humans and expelled them since they were not dumb anymore...

And about that Tree it is not knowledge of good and evil!

What happened to Adam and Eve when they ate the fruit?? Did the suddenly know what was good and evil?

No! All they learned was that they were naked!

"But wait Faceless this makes no sense why would god not want people to know that they were naked??"

Think about this, what could possibly cause someone to not know the difference between being naked and being clothed? Simple: Man wasn't evolved enough at the time to need clothes. At this time man was no more than a domesticated animal to the gods and therefore didn't need clothes.

Early Sumerian pictures show that before Adam and Eve man served the gods naked. No matter what they were doing Man was always naked. Man needed no clothes because Man was not a civilized race, merely an "upgraded" animal (humans were in the process of natural evolution at the time, but were millions of years to primitive to be of any use).

Why then would man being naked cause so much trouble for god?

The Tree of Knowledge, thats its name. What does it mean by knowledge?

Does this phrase sound familiar: "And Adam knew his wife"... in the Bible when people had sex it was refered to as KNOWING them, hence the Tree of KNOWING, the Tree of Procreation.

After eating the fuit they were aware of their sex organs for the first time! The tree had given Adam and Eve the ability to procreate.

Oh and about Lilith: Sumerian texts clearly state (and illustrations show) that there were many humans before and during the time of Adam. So I find it entirely plausable that Adam had a wife (for want of a better word) prior to Eve. Adam and Eve I believe are commonly depicted as the first people because they were the first to escape the slavery and become proper free people so to speak.
This also explains why Lilith is said to kidnap children: she never ate the fruit of Knowing (procreation) and therefore could not have children of her own.

The Serpent was obviously not just a snake because he could talk to Eve, and knew the truth about the matter of "knowing" and was of such high stature that he unhesitantly exposed the deity as a lair. In most (if not all) ancient traditions the main god always fought a serpent, a tale that undoubtably goes back to these Sumerian gods.

Once again Sumerian and Biblical plays of words occur again. The Biblical word for "Serpent" is nahash which does mean snake. But the word stems from the root NHSH which means "to decipher, to find out", so that nahash could also mean "he who deciphers, he who finds things out" which is a fitting epitaph for Enki, the chief scientist of the gods (Nefilim), the God of Knowledge.

It was Enki who suggested and undertook the creation of primitive workers. As the Sumerian text recorded the course of human events, Enki as a rule emerges as Mankinds protagonist, Enlil (biblical Yahweh) as its strict discipliner if not outright antagonist. The role of a deity wishing to keep the new humans sexually suppressed, and of a deity willing and capable of bestowing upon mankind the fruit of "knowing" fit Enlil and Enki perfectly.

There was a depiction unearthed in Mesopotamia that strongly suggests the biblical tale: a serpent entwined in a tree pointing at its fruit. High above the tree are celestial symbols: the planet of crossing which stood for Anu (the highest of the gods) and the cresent moon, which was the symbol of Enki.

There is even a Mesopotamian version of this in which it is clearly stated that it was Enki that gave Adapa (biblical Adam) the "knowledge"

In Mari a pictorial tale was unearthed engraved on a cylinder seal containing a picture that may well be an illustration of the Mesopotamian version of the tale of Genesis. In the engraving a great god is seated on high ground rising from watery waves-an obvious depiction of Enki (who's symbol is the moon, the controller of the tides). Water spouting serpents protrude from each side of his throne.
Flanking him are two tree like gods. The one on the right, whose branches have penis shaped ends, holds up a bowl that presumably contains the fruit of life.
The one on the left, that has vagina shaped ends, offers fruit bearing branches, representing the tree of "knowing", the god given right of procreation.
Standing next to Enki is another god who is showing anger towards Enki, obviously this in Enlil (Yahweh).

Gods through the ages are refered to by different people in different times by different names, such as here. They are mostly the same deities throughout ancient history just with different names. If you compare them you will see that they are indeed identicle deties.

People take the Genesis as being the first book every writen and the only book to recount the events in it. This is wrong for many reasons and the most obvious (to me) is this: Genesis starts at the beginning of the creation of the solar system and of the (so called) first people. The language at this time however was Sumerian and Genesis is written in Hebrew, a language that didn't exist at the time so how was it written? Obviously Sumerian texts that were written during or shortly after the events were used to write the original Genesis. There are also many other texts in different languages recorded by different peoples from different perspectives that describe the same events in different ways. An example of this is that some people believe that the Garden of Eden is simply a metaphor for a state of being yet other texts from the Sumerian age describe it in detail as being an actual location... but of course the people who worship the bible could never accept the words from another source. In my opinion this is where faith blurs into ingorance.

Originally posted by Faceless


Now this "serpent" is always believed to be the devil... why? This serpent came along and told the truth! This serpent wanted Adam and Eve to become knowledgable of who and what they were. This serpent set them free from the blindness and toil that the other deity enforced. Thats not evil! Thats helpful and even shows caring.

So I assume you're a follower of Luciferianism...right?

how come the gosples of john, mark, matt and luke all have differents parts of the last days of jesus. weren they all with him at the end?

When God told Adam that he would surely die when he ate the fruit he was speaking metaphorically. Adam did die to God as did all of man kind. Hence the need for Jesus' death and resurection and our need to be "born again" in Christ through salvation in order to get to heaven. As for the serpent telling the "truth." I say be very careful, Lucifer is the father of all lies .

Originally posted by Loki
If you can explain all three of my little problems, I'll pick up my bible again.

GE 11:7-9 God sows discord.
PR 6:16-19 God hates anyone who sows discord.

Genesis 11:7-9
"Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other." So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. That is why it was called Babel--because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face fo the whole earth.

Proverbs 6:16-19
There are six things the Lord hates, seven that are detestable to him:
haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
a false witness who pours out lies
and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.

Ok Loki, I'm not sure if this is really inconsistent, but I THINK I see where you're coming from. I take it you're equating the stirring up of dissension among brothers with what God did during the time of Babel. A few points:
First of all, God's laws and desires are for us, and not for Himself. This may seem hypocritical, but not necessarily. A parent who is more mature and wise may use knives for cutting, or matches to light candles but would never let their small child do the same. They may also discuss or talk about topics like sex that are innapropriate for the child to hear. In the same way, God may restrict us from things that we aren't smart about, but that He knows when and how to do it. A man who causes dissension for others is doing so out of wickedness, but God spread people out for their own sake.
Second, because God is superior to everything, anyone who attempts to surpass Him or imitate or stand in for Him, is disliked by God because it would be a lie, and He isn't being respected. God created us, but it isn't right for us to produce clones ourselves. There are other examples. Humans were getting together and trying to glorify themselves with the tower and attempting to equal God. God has right to stop this. And instead of wiping them out again, He simply broke them up to different areas of the world.
Third. What is dissension? Dissension would be to mislead or deceive for whatever reason. What does dissension cause you to be mislead from? From what is true and right. Truth and righteousness stems from and is enforced by God. So, if the Lord broke up the people of Earth, it would be the right thing to do because He did it, and so then would not be dissension. Everything we know of and every concept there is, is from Him, including dissension, so in this way, He is not inconsistent.
Fourth, God, who created everything would not be stupid or careless to blatantly show Himself to be a hypocrit in His very own book.
And fifth, I'm not even sure if what God did at the tower of Babel is even dissension, but if it really is, then refer to the other four points. Make sense?