that first "mudra" is also the same hand position used in classical ballet.
the second looks nothing like the first.
and how can two groups have the same communication? the same way two unrelated groups show love, sadness, happiness, or anger.
they fell because they wanted free will.....thats beautifully tragic. so humans, having free will, does that make us all follwers of satan, like these
renegade angels? you would think not, but isnt it the same correlation. one could say we are, until we stand by gods side. but wouldnt that be forking
up all the free will you have to simply blindly follow some faith bestowed upon you?
god is love and happiness and blah blah blah right? then why is he casting away those who wish to think freely? acceptance is key to following god,
unless of course, you are god. huh? this scares me. it seems as if what we are has become more important than what we believe. OH! image input!
sorry if im coming off as mean or attacking, im just very passionate on the subject.
as to lillith, the myth goes something like this-
"It is said that Lillith was the twin sister of Adam and dwelt with him in the Garden at Paradise. Adam was king of Eden and Lillith wished to be
co-ruler with him, but the Lord of Light permitted it not. Lillith was beautiful and wise. She wearied of her brother, Adam, who was less wise than
she. Lillith refused to bear children from Adam. The Lord of Light was angered and turned Lillith out of Paradise. Samuel, an angel of the Lord of
Light and a son of god, fell in love with Lillith. To Samuel, Lillith bore three half-god, half-human children, all called the nephilim. Their wisdom,
power and beauty was so great that the children of Darkness were afraid of them and called them monstrous names to defile them. She lived as a
daughter of the night mother, calling the people to dance and be joyous by the light of the moon. Her symbol was the night owl, and those who followed
her called her Arionrhod."
in the bible-
Wildcats shall meet with hyenas,
goat-demons shall call to each other;
there too Lilith shall repose,
and find a place to rest.
There shall the owl nest
and lay and hatch and brood in its shadow
Dead Sea Scrolls-
And I, the Sage,
declare the grandeur of his radiance
in order to frighten and terrify
all the spirits of the ravaging angels
and the bastard spirits,
demons, Liliths, owls and [jackals...]
and those who strike unexpectedly
to lead astray the spirit of knowledge....
many pictures in renaissance paintings depict the serpant as a woman, possibly lillith? these are disputable, but an interesting comparison to note
the christian animosity for her, seeing how she was a woman whom defied god. first, god is perfect, second, her being a woman stings even more, seeing
how at the time of the bible being written, women were property, objects.
from the temptation scene at the notre dame cathedral
michelangelo's Temptation and Fall (sistene Chapel)
Detail from Temptation, Fall, and Expulsion
from Les Tres Riches Heures du Duc de Berry, 1411-1416.
Alphabet of Ben Sira-
"The angles who are in charge of medicine: Snvi, Snsvi, and Smnglof. After God created Adam, who was alone, He said, 'It is not good for man to be
alone' (Gen. 2:18). He then created a woman for Adam, from the earth, as He had created Adam himself, and called her Lilith. Adam and Lilith began to
fight. She said, 'I will not lie below,' and he said, 'I will not lie beneath you, but only on top. For you are fit only to be in the bottom
position, while am to be in the superior one.' Lilith responded, 'We are equal to each other inasmuch as we were both created from the earth.' But
they would not listen to one another. When Lilith saw this, she pronounced the Ineffable Name and flew away into the air. Adam stood in prayer before
his Creator: 'Sovereign of the universe!' he said, 'the woman you gave me has run away.' At once, the Holy One, blessed be He, sent these three
angles to bring her back."
A contrasting debate on the existence of lilith-
The legend in question was inspired by the Bible's dual accounts of the creation of the first woman, which led its author to the conclusion that
Adam had a first wife before his marriage to Eve. Adam's original mate was the demonic Lilith who had been fashioned, just like her male counterpart,
from the dust of the earth. Lilith insisted from the outset on equal treatment, a fact which caused constant friction between the couple. Eventually
the frustrated Lilith used her magical powers to fly away from her spouse. At Adam's urging, God dispatched three angels to negotiate her return.
When these angels made threats against Lilith's demonic descendants, she countered that she would prey eternally upon newborn human babies, who could
be saved only by invoking the protection of the three angels. In the end Lilith stood her ground and never returned to her husband.
The story implies that when Eve was afterwards fashioned out of Adam's rib (symbolic of her subjection to him), this was to serve as an antidote to
Lilith's short-lived attempt at egalitarianism. Here, declare the feminists matronizingly, we have a clear statement of the Rabbinic Attitude Towards
There is only one slight problem with this theory: The story of Lilith is not actually found in any authentic Rabbinic tradition. Although it is
repeatedly cited as a "Rabbinic legend" or a "midrash," it is not recorded in any ancient Jewish text!
The tale of Lilith originates in a medieval work called "the Alphabet of Ben-Sira," a work whose relationship to the conventional streams of Judaism
is, to say the least, problematic.
Eventually the tale of Lilith was included in a popular English-language compendium of Rabbinic legend, and some uncritical readers--unable or
unwilling to check after the editor's sources--cited it as a representative Rabbinic statement on the topic. As tends to happen in such instances,
subsequent authors kept copying from one another until the original error turned into an unchallenged historical fact.
could the myth of lillith simply been mere coincidence? or could this legend have scared the christians enough to portray her demonically (paintings,
verses) in their later texts to which they adapted to the torah?
lillith- she's evil because shes equal?! couldnt this be connected to the fallen angels, kicked out of paradise because they wanted equality...free
a heated debate, no less