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Shards of the Illuminati

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posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 12:00 PM
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The Russians hold a position of strength, they are not so much an obstacle to the plans of the NWO, or to globalisim in general as they are a requirement of it. They therefore have significant bargaining power and they know it. Their posturing demonstrates it, and I can only guess at how much backroom diplomacy takes place to secure the loyalty of the Russians to the West, if indeed it is secured. They do not trust us, with good reason, we have proven that we cannot be trusted. The fear of the west of course is that they will side with China, the Russians equally, suspect that we will side with China if given the chance. Everyone is watching everyone else like hawks. This position has been held since the second world war, the Russians were seen as a bulwark to the 'asiatic hoards' and they still are no matter how benign that threat may on the surface seem at present.




posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 12:57 PM
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I don't think that this bears any significance other than the Russian's enjoy playing with other countries.




The beauty of the Russians is that they have a rather devilish sense of humour and love seeing how close they can get to a countries airspace before being intercepted.


I think that you are correct in a fashion. You just understate the intentions of the Russian Air Force. Sure, bravado plays a role in these incursions of sovereign air space but the real goal is to probe. After all it’s a military action. They are testing countries monitoring capabilities, scramble times, reaction capacity (combat readiness), willingness to commit and escalate, and resolve. Russian military only understands one thing and that’s force.

They did that to a US carrier a year or so ago. I don’t know how they managed it when those carriers have such advanced defense capabilities? You’re not supposed to be able to get within 25miles of one without being destroyed. Actually threats are supposedly detected well in advance of that range, yet somehow they actually buzzed the carrier.

They did it to the Japanese also, not too long after our ship and Guam.


www.cnn.com...

www.iht.com...



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 01:13 PM
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I don't so much underestimate their capabilities as see them as little threat. They know what they can get away with and they take it right to the line. I kind of like them for that. They miss nothing and while keeping chiefly to their own counsel, they still manage to let the Powers that Be know what they know by puffing out their chests a little bit in these little shows. The Russians have no wish for conflict, they have enough problems on the domestic front, but they will not back down from a fight if threatened. They don't trust us, which is why you are right in your assessment that there is an element of testing the water in these exercises. Always checking, and who can blame them?



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 01:17 PM
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US debt to China is silence bought for Taiwan and Mongolia ops...

Perhaps you recall Maban's take on Mongolia...
I asked him then whether russian economy demise would a
necessary precursor for Chinese taking over its northern neighbor.
Maban said that ops planned will be indirect, within 2-7 years, and
Mongolia is the likely place. Quite possible, though indirect part
leaves space for many interpretations.

Inhuman treatment of Tibet citizens by Chinese government possibly
is a practice ground for the new empire to build up their military skills.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 01:20 PM
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Yeah, it’s just that their style has always been very inflammatory. Most western powers will park a carrier off of your coast or place a division of troops close to your boarder in order to test you or prove a point. Whereas the Russians like to point a gun at you and smile (just to see how you react). Ballsy, but inflammatory. Things like that lead to wars that no one really wants, and may well lead those that aren’t familiar with Russian politics to believe the same.
But I guess if the premise is that they are sending a message to “the powers that be” than you have to send a strong one. I just don’t buy that they haven’t been tainted already (themselves).


[edit on 28-2-2009 by lazy1981]



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by eventHorizon
reply to post by KilgoreTrout
 


US debt to China is silence bought for Taiwan and Mongolia ops...

Perhaps you recall Maban's take on Mongolia...
I asked him then whether russian economy demise would a
necessary precursor for Chinese taking over its northern neighbor.
Maban said that ops planned will be indirect, within 2-7 years, and
Mongolia is the likely place. Quite possible, though indirect part
leaves space for many interpretations.


Russia's position is basically that of piggy in the middle, with China and Europe looking over the fence at how green and fertile the Russian garden is. The US, under George Bush, made a very showy attempt at fealty with Putin's government last year. There was an amazing, if a little bizarre, press conference, with Bush was almost falling over himself to convey that Russia are the friends of the US. This was not for the benefit of the Russians, they don't care and Putin's body language spoke volumes in that respect, but for the benefit of the US people, or more particularly the US investors. It is in the Wests best interest to use investment in Russia to boost their own economies. Financial bonds are much stronger than diplomatic ones. And in the future we will all be dependent on the resources that Russia holds. China knows this too though, so Russia can afford to be playful at the moment.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 01:40 PM
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Not to mention that they seem to be free of debt (comparatively speaking) the last I heard, or on the track to it. That gives them a lot of freedom in their actions. Likewise it makes for an environment where foreign investors are willing to risk their capital in a country that is financially sound.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by lazy1981
I just don’t buy that they haven’t been tainted already (themselves).


I don't know, but, one thing you can be assured of is that they don't do anything if there is nothing to be gained for them personally, as a nation. The Russians cannot be described as altruists in any sense of the word. When they do help, you can be assured that there is a long term objective that is in tandem with the western ideals, as in their relations with Iran. Some sort of trade off. It is political gangsterism, but then most of it is these days, the Russians are simply a little more honest about it. They are certainly players I have no doubt of that.



posted on Feb, 28 2009 @ 05:55 PM
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That isn't the only thing China got from the agreement to buy more U.S. bonds, as collateral they used US soil! So if we forfeit our loan obligations the Chinese can start seizing up land!

There are so many disturbing things going on right now it's hard to keep track of them all.

Remember China gate which was overshadowed by Monica Lewinsky? The Clinton's have a whole shady past when it comes to China.

It's a scary time, you can sense that your whole nation around you is changing quickly for the worst. It's obvious the plan that has been in motion for so long is only speeding up in the recent months.

There are a few lights out there as the darkness gets even darker, a fine example is Ron Paul. He's said many times he has nothing against Globalism if it can be democratic. What's approaching isn't democratic but a socialist dictatorship hints why he's against it.

Yes we need to move forward and unit but it's not going to be pretty when the people behind the curtain usher in there version of a one world government.

There's been a lot of talks about uniting the economy under one system, it's at our doorstep people. Finally a few out there are protesting, but it's been too little too late in my opinion.

Sorry if I sound so pessimistic I've probably been watching too much news as of late.



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 02:26 PM
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Just an idea
well nothings happening so i have a suggestion to make. As far as i can understand maban picked three individuals to continue hiis message in some way. Why dont you as an interesting experiment agree to say 20 sentences and all 3 summarise what each of you thought that message was and then you will have fullfilled whatever obligation you might have felt. I suggest you agree to a time limit and no conferring. The main reason i make this suggestion is because i didnt really see any coherent message and two it will make for an interesting experiment to see if you all got the same ideas from these communications.



posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 07:56 PM
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That sounds like a decent idea to me too



[edit on 1-3-2009 by kshaund]



posted on Mar, 2 2009 @ 03:09 AM
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Originally posted by spannera
The main reason i make this suggestion is because i didnt really see any coherent message....


The coherent message is there however it takes a bit of fractional distillation in order to make it potent enough for us heavy users-- supertasters exempted.

Verily, I say to The Three, grace us with thine wisdom granted.



posted on Mar, 2 2009 @ 08:57 AM
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Who is Maban?

Sorry for the one liner, I have seen that name a couple times but don't know who it is.



posted on Mar, 2 2009 @ 09:14 AM
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Originally posted by Bombeni
Who is Maban?

Sorry for the one liner, I have seen that name a couple times but don't know who it is.


Hi Bombeni,

Maban is the dude who started this whole thread almost a year ago. If you go back to page one you can read some of his posts.

In summary he is a member of the group commonly associated with the term 'Illuminati'. He made some surprising and shocking revelations over the course of the last few months.

Unfortunately he was killed a couple of weeks ago in Russia.



posted on Mar, 2 2009 @ 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by spannera
Just an idea
well nothings happening so i have a suggestion to make. As far as i can understand maban picked three individuals to continue hiis message in some way. Why dont you as an interesting experiment agree to say 20 sentences and all 3 summarise what each of you thought that message was and then you will have fullfilled whatever obligation you might have felt. I suggest you agree to a time limit and no conferring. The main reason i make this suggestion is because i didnt really see any coherent message and two it will make for an interesting experiment to see if you all got the same ideas from these communications.


This is an interesting idea.

I don't feel any obligation, though. Maybe the other two feel differently but I feel pretty honored to be asked to carry on the message.



posted on Mar, 2 2009 @ 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by emsed1

Originally posted by Bombeni
Who is Maban?




a good fiction storyteller, as proved on previous posts.



Originally posted by emsed1

Unfortunately he was killed a couple of weeks ago in Russia.


ya sure

and he raised from the dead, as Tenzin






Originally posted by We the People

Originally posted by emsed1
THIS is definitely Tenzin.

ya and THIS was also Maban



Originally posted by Tenzin
please try and remember the “message,” at least in Maban’s memory.

- Tenzin

Now he thinks he's Jesus


Maban is ALIVE i repeat he is Alive...well maybe a little bit hurt on his forehead
BUT HE'S ALIVE and he is feeling as good as Homer Simpson






We can talk about the illuminati but please, as for Maban in wonderland,
we must get over it. lets see, if Russia is control by the illuminati?



posted on Mar, 2 2009 @ 06:14 PM
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We The People, we've asked you nicely to refrain from this sort thing. It's ok to disagree but you are only mocking not bring up any valid questions or even attempting to debate. I'd be more then happy to debate with you or answer any questions to the best of my ability but all I've seen thus far is what's commonly referred to as "trolling".

I'll ask again nicely, plus cut it out, post more intelligently or am I asking too much?



posted on Mar, 2 2009 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by emsed1
Unfortunately he was killed a couple of weeks ago in Russia.


Do we have more substantial evidence of this now? Have you been instructed by Tenzin not to reveal more (old or new) on the thread or have any restrictions now been places on this?

[edit on 3/2/2009 by EnlightenUp]



posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 06:34 PM
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Will America change for the better after the 2008 election or will the status quo continue with Barack Obama or John McCain? Why do politicians always promise "change" but never deliver? As the election nears, I hear a lot of people say, as long as a democrat wins, things will improve. I guess they don't remember that we elected republican George Bush to get away from democrat Bill Clinton's foreign interventions in the 1990s.

As we continue toward the beginnings of a World War 3 like scenario, neither Barack Obama nor John McCain will slow down our military wheel that has been in motion since World War 2. Unless we stand up and fight this, the worldwide centralization of monetary and political power will continue until it's too late to fight back. As we move toward a new world order, we must be more active in the political process and ignore the false left right paradigm or we will lose all of our freedoms.

This report is a little old but it's become even more clear now that we have Obama in office and can clearly connect the dots.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will know peace."

Enjoy!




posted on Mar, 3 2009 @ 09:58 PM
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NWO - 3 ugly letters.
When they say it's good for you - doubt it,
when they say left - think right,
when they say new - understand that it's old.

NWO = OWO (old world order) only globalized.

great video. starred.



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