In my opinion (not to say my opinion is valid), if you are seeing demons... I would do something about it fast.
After all, the only thing there is to fear is that which can take your soul (although, of course, nothing can take your soul without you freely giving
it... whether you know what you are doing or not), but just being in the presence of demons is dangerous.
Since, of course, they are tricky, and will do anything to pull you farther away from God; and they can easily do so without you noticing.
So yeah... minus all my theological spouting... if I saw a demon, the first thing I'd do is fall to my knees in prayer. After all, there are things
worse than death... and I'd count a demon's presence as one of them.
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reply posted on 24-2-2010 @ 03:12 PM by davesidious
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How come no one has ever managed to get evidence of demons? The benefit to the world's knowledge would be fantastic, and if half of their apparent abilities are true, it would be very easy for a scientist to detect them.
Weird.
How come no one has ever managed to get evidence of demons? The benefit to the world's knowledge would be fantastic, and if half of their apparent abilities are true, it would be very easy for a scientist to detect them.
Weird.
reply posted on 25-2-2010 @ 08:40 AM by Tiger5
reply to post by davesidious
As you have replied to me shall I do so to you.
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Sorry, I really have not got the time to go into the reasons why I believe that demons exist. I am quite content that my training has led me to the conclusion that demons exist. In short I have proved their existence to my satisfaction.
Rgds
T
[edit on 25-2-2010 by Tiger5]
As you have replied to me shall I do so to you.
"This forum is for the general discussion of a wide range of paranormal phenomena that includes remote viewing, ESP, OBE, telepathy, ghosts, spirits, etc. Participants should be aware that this is a highly speculative forum where topics and responses will tend to lean in favor of the existence of these phenomena. Those who would wish to refute these subjects should be aware of AboveTopSecret.com's tradition of supporting the free examination of "alternative topics" which includes the paranormal."
Sorry, I really have not got the time to go into the reasons why I believe that demons exist. I am quite content that my training has led me to the conclusion that demons exist. In short I have proved their existence to my satisfaction.
Rgds
T
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reply posted on 27-10-2010 @ 05:43 PM by whiteknightok
reply to post by AD5673
If you have interest in spirits or are seeking to understand an experience you have had I highly recommend the following article:
www.watchtower.org...
I too have dealt with similar experiences as other posters here. You may or may not believe in spirits, God, or the like so I can't expect this information to be taken completely seriously. All I can say is that I mean every word of it, and it's the result of years of experience, research, and talking to others who have had strange things happen to them. Take this information as you will, but I believe it to be true.
Not all strange experiences can be explained by demonic activity. Certainly there are a number of explanations that cover breathlessness, hearing voices, seeing odd apparitions, or movement, etc. Drugs, alcohol, sleep deprivation, or mental disorders can explain many such one-time experiences or even multiple ones that occur occasionally throughout one's life. In most cases it is healthy to dismiss these and mere flukes. Why become overly concerned about something that you thought you saw out of the corner of your eye, or thought you heard in the next room? Obsession over such episodes could lead to unrealistic fear or unnecessary anxiety.
However, if you take reasonable steps to rule out multiple episodes of strange occurrences or if the occurrences are blatantly obvious as to need little or no effort to be explained as supernatural, then finding reasonable answers as to why they are occurring can lead to liberation from the anxiety, fear, and trouble that are sure to come.
Through a systematic study of the Bible you can build a faith not based on blind acceptance, but based solidly on your reasoning ability. You can be as sure that God exists as you are that the sun will rise tomorrow. No, none of us can say for sure that it will rise, but would you expect anyone to call you crazy for making that assertion? For sure, many will call you crazy for believing in God and spirits, but your reasons for believing in their existence will be real and solid, and you will not be embarrassed or feel that you have stepped outside the realm of reasonableness and into mindless faith. If you have a bible open it to Hebrews chapter 11:1 and read the biblical definition of what faith is. It is much different than the the emotionally charged faith that so many atheists rightfully mock.
Once the bible has earned your trust it will teach you all you need to know about evil spirits (demons) and good spirits (God, Jesus, and Angels). These beings are real, not just internal struggles, but they have their own personalities. Each have their own agenda and reasons for the activities in which they engage, and sometimes their agenda involves us personally.
In the case of demons their motive is pretty simple: make us do anything that displeases God. They try to do this in many ways. Most of the time their influence is indirect; after all this world's system is constructed in a manner to cause us to disobey God. They also try direct methods; they may seek to inspire fear in a person in the hope of causing that person to submit to their will or to make them engage in a false-religious, God dishonoring practice. Any practice that has it's roots in false religion will be in fact worship of the demons. For example: let's say a person is repeatedly being harassed by a demon in their home. That person may learn from an acquaintance that he can keep the demon in check by carrying a certain item with him, or by performing a ritual. However, since the harassed person places his faith and practice in an item or ritual created by a false religion the demon gets what he wants! The demonic activity is unlikely to stop for very long, and he may have to continue doing these things to supposedly keep it at bay... but what really happens is that over time the demon gains more and more control over the person's life.
Demons evidently gain pleasure from inspiring fear in their victims. Even if the person doesn't engage in some false practice, it still gives them a sense of power over a person when they don't understand what is happening and are filled with fear. Humans are God's creation and if they can drive them mad and cause them harm it is enjoyable to them.
Lastly, demons enjoy watching a person commit sins that alienate a person from God. They are sex-crazed, rebellious, and violent. An earlier poster mentioned the Nephilim, sons of rebelious angels that came to earth. Their reason for coming to earth was to take on human bodies and experience sexual relations with the beautiful women of the earth. Their fascination with sex is because it is a perversion of a gift from God and causes God grief to see his creation corrupted. Some women and men have experienced sexual-oriented assault from some demons. Some people have learned to experience lucid dreaming in order to engage in lust-filled sexual episodes even while they sleep. What ends up happening though is the demons end up manifesting themselves even in the lucid dream state. Demons are attracted to a person who engages in God-dishonoring practices such as drug & alcohol addiction. Anyone who is enslaved to an addictive mind-altering behavior opens themselves up to demonic suggestion that enslaves them to these evil spirits and makes them unfit to serve God - which is what they're after. You don't have to be a professed Satanist to worship the Devil or demons, if you are a slave to these types of things or practice a false religion then you are doing the will of these evil spirits.
To get free from the influence and to protect yourself from demons you need to know the truth from the bible. That may seem an unreachable concept - truth. But, I promise, it certainly is possible. The truth is unbelievably simple to any person with an honest heart that is seeking to know what all of this is about. You need a systematic study of the Bible, you need to know how to find the answers to your questions, and not just any old answer will do, you need an answer that satisfies not just your heart but your mind as well. You need association with other such people that are searching for God with an honest heart free from the influence of God-dishonoring practices - a clean people that have God's approval. They can help you understand the bible and how to counter Satan's attacks. Noone is perfect, and even true religion has sinners as adherents. But don't let the hypocrisy of some individuals make you bitter toward God. God wants to be found by you and he has provided everything you need, you just have to keep seeking.
The next time you experience an attack by a demon call out to God using his personal name: Jehovah. You may have to struggle to say his name if you are afraid. But try, the demon will know what you are trying to do and may try to stop you physically or through fear. Say it in your own mind and keep trying to say "Jehovah, help me!" out loud. When you can, turn on the lights, and then pray to Jehovah. Thank him for protecting you and ask him to help you understand what it is you need to do to please him and to get rid of the demons. Try to think of anything in your home that may be tied to occult practices such as books on demonology or magic. Any items that would be used in an occult practice, a Ouija board, an item that has been blessed by a witch, mystic or the like. Some of these items may have cost you a great deal or even be sentimental to you, but if you destroy them it shows Jehovah that you asked him for help in earnestness and that you desire to serve him alone in an acceptable way. It shows the demons that you KNOW that they exist and why they are there. It proves to Jehovah, his son Jesus, Angels, and Demons that your will is to be clean and free from Satan's influence and that you recognize the true God to be sovereign. The demons may continue to try to gain the best of you, but pray as often as is necessary (and even when it isn't!).
Lastly I recommend you contact Jehovah's Witnesses in your area. You can look them up in your phone book or an online phone directory. Search for "Jehovah's Witnesses". They will help you in your battle with the demons. Ask them for a bible study and tell them about your experience - they will believe you!
I was a Jehovah's witness for 20 years before I fell into a life of sin and was disfellowshipped (excommunicated). I say this because it proves that living a clean life free from Satan's influence is an important part of being recognized as one of them. They are helping me to make changes that will let me have a clean standing with God again. They can help you too!
If you have interest in spirits or are seeking to understand an experience you have had I highly recommend the following article:
www.watchtower.org...
I too have dealt with similar experiences as other posters here. You may or may not believe in spirits, God, or the like so I can't expect this information to be taken completely seriously. All I can say is that I mean every word of it, and it's the result of years of experience, research, and talking to others who have had strange things happen to them. Take this information as you will, but I believe it to be true.
Not all strange experiences can be explained by demonic activity. Certainly there are a number of explanations that cover breathlessness, hearing voices, seeing odd apparitions, or movement, etc. Drugs, alcohol, sleep deprivation, or mental disorders can explain many such one-time experiences or even multiple ones that occur occasionally throughout one's life. In most cases it is healthy to dismiss these and mere flukes. Why become overly concerned about something that you thought you saw out of the corner of your eye, or thought you heard in the next room? Obsession over such episodes could lead to unrealistic fear or unnecessary anxiety.
However, if you take reasonable steps to rule out multiple episodes of strange occurrences or if the occurrences are blatantly obvious as to need little or no effort to be explained as supernatural, then finding reasonable answers as to why they are occurring can lead to liberation from the anxiety, fear, and trouble that are sure to come.
Through a systematic study of the Bible you can build a faith not based on blind acceptance, but based solidly on your reasoning ability. You can be as sure that God exists as you are that the sun will rise tomorrow. No, none of us can say for sure that it will rise, but would you expect anyone to call you crazy for making that assertion? For sure, many will call you crazy for believing in God and spirits, but your reasons for believing in their existence will be real and solid, and you will not be embarrassed or feel that you have stepped outside the realm of reasonableness and into mindless faith. If you have a bible open it to Hebrews chapter 11:1 and read the biblical definition of what faith is. It is much different than the the emotionally charged faith that so many atheists rightfully mock.
Once the bible has earned your trust it will teach you all you need to know about evil spirits (demons) and good spirits (God, Jesus, and Angels). These beings are real, not just internal struggles, but they have their own personalities. Each have their own agenda and reasons for the activities in which they engage, and sometimes their agenda involves us personally.
In the case of demons their motive is pretty simple: make us do anything that displeases God. They try to do this in many ways. Most of the time their influence is indirect; after all this world's system is constructed in a manner to cause us to disobey God. They also try direct methods; they may seek to inspire fear in a person in the hope of causing that person to submit to their will or to make them engage in a false-religious, God dishonoring practice. Any practice that has it's roots in false religion will be in fact worship of the demons. For example: let's say a person is repeatedly being harassed by a demon in their home. That person may learn from an acquaintance that he can keep the demon in check by carrying a certain item with him, or by performing a ritual. However, since the harassed person places his faith and practice in an item or ritual created by a false religion the demon gets what he wants! The demonic activity is unlikely to stop for very long, and he may have to continue doing these things to supposedly keep it at bay... but what really happens is that over time the demon gains more and more control over the person's life.
Demons evidently gain pleasure from inspiring fear in their victims. Even if the person doesn't engage in some false practice, it still gives them a sense of power over a person when they don't understand what is happening and are filled with fear. Humans are God's creation and if they can drive them mad and cause them harm it is enjoyable to them.
Lastly, demons enjoy watching a person commit sins that alienate a person from God. They are sex-crazed, rebellious, and violent. An earlier poster mentioned the Nephilim, sons of rebelious angels that came to earth. Their reason for coming to earth was to take on human bodies and experience sexual relations with the beautiful women of the earth. Their fascination with sex is because it is a perversion of a gift from God and causes God grief to see his creation corrupted. Some women and men have experienced sexual-oriented assault from some demons. Some people have learned to experience lucid dreaming in order to engage in lust-filled sexual episodes even while they sleep. What ends up happening though is the demons end up manifesting themselves even in the lucid dream state. Demons are attracted to a person who engages in God-dishonoring practices such as drug & alcohol addiction. Anyone who is enslaved to an addictive mind-altering behavior opens themselves up to demonic suggestion that enslaves them to these evil spirits and makes them unfit to serve God - which is what they're after. You don't have to be a professed Satanist to worship the Devil or demons, if you are a slave to these types of things or practice a false religion then you are doing the will of these evil spirits.
To get free from the influence and to protect yourself from demons you need to know the truth from the bible. That may seem an unreachable concept - truth. But, I promise, it certainly is possible. The truth is unbelievably simple to any person with an honest heart that is seeking to know what all of this is about. You need a systematic study of the Bible, you need to know how to find the answers to your questions, and not just any old answer will do, you need an answer that satisfies not just your heart but your mind as well. You need association with other such people that are searching for God with an honest heart free from the influence of God-dishonoring practices - a clean people that have God's approval. They can help you understand the bible and how to counter Satan's attacks. Noone is perfect, and even true religion has sinners as adherents. But don't let the hypocrisy of some individuals make you bitter toward God. God wants to be found by you and he has provided everything you need, you just have to keep seeking.
The next time you experience an attack by a demon call out to God using his personal name: Jehovah. You may have to struggle to say his name if you are afraid. But try, the demon will know what you are trying to do and may try to stop you physically or through fear. Say it in your own mind and keep trying to say "Jehovah, help me!" out loud. When you can, turn on the lights, and then pray to Jehovah. Thank him for protecting you and ask him to help you understand what it is you need to do to please him and to get rid of the demons. Try to think of anything in your home that may be tied to occult practices such as books on demonology or magic. Any items that would be used in an occult practice, a Ouija board, an item that has been blessed by a witch, mystic or the like. Some of these items may have cost you a great deal or even be sentimental to you, but if you destroy them it shows Jehovah that you asked him for help in earnestness and that you desire to serve him alone in an acceptable way. It shows the demons that you KNOW that they exist and why they are there. It proves to Jehovah, his son Jesus, Angels, and Demons that your will is to be clean and free from Satan's influence and that you recognize the true God to be sovereign. The demons may continue to try to gain the best of you, but pray as often as is necessary (and even when it isn't!).
Lastly I recommend you contact Jehovah's Witnesses in your area. You can look them up in your phone book or an online phone directory. Search for "Jehovah's Witnesses". They will help you in your battle with the demons. Ask them for a bible study and tell them about your experience - they will believe you!
I was a Jehovah's witness for 20 years before I fell into a life of sin and was disfellowshipped (excommunicated). I say this because it proves that living a clean life free from Satan's influence is an important part of being recognized as one of them. They are helping me to make changes that will let me have a clean standing with God again. They can help you too!
reply posted on 27-10-2010 @ 06:36 PM by keepingaopenmind
reply to post by AD5673
Other from turning on the TV, no sorry, no demons here, It's sort of like dropping a pebble into a pond and the ripples spread out as far as they go. So in other words, the more people you tell, the more the event spreads. Some people just refuse to listen to what the people are saying, therefor do not see what the others are seeing, its a bit like a mind game. All though there are things we can not explain still, but I do know that the mind can do some crazy things to people. Just take a look around today, I am sure you will see what I mean
Take good care
Love and peace
Rick
Other from turning on the TV, no sorry, no demons here, It's sort of like dropping a pebble into a pond and the ripples spread out as far as they go. So in other words, the more people you tell, the more the event spreads. Some people just refuse to listen to what the people are saying, therefor do not see what the others are seeing, its a bit like a mind game. All though there are things we can not explain still, but I do know that the mind can do some crazy things to people. Just take a look around today, I am sure you will see what I mean
Take good care Love and peace
Rick
reply posted on 25-3-2011 @ 12:59 AM by MissIndie
reply to post by AD5673
this is just what i have gained from my research on the subject but from what ive heard you should try and communicate with it demons are said to be human friendly but trying to use the bible or brandishing a cross and saying things like get back foul beast and i send you back to the depths of hell in the name of god will only piss it off then u r in trouble and also things like nine foot circles and holy water are insulting and can land u in a bit of trouble with demons ...... ever thought of just saying hi it was nice feeling ur presence but could u please leave... that might work
this is just what i have gained from my research on the subject but from what ive heard you should try and communicate with it demons are said to be human friendly but trying to use the bible or brandishing a cross and saying things like get back foul beast and i send you back to the depths of hell in the name of god will only piss it off then u r in trouble and also things like nine foot circles and holy water are insulting and can land u in a bit of trouble with demons ...... ever thought of just saying hi it was nice feeling ur presence but could u please leave... that might work
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