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Originally posted by squintingcat
Originally posted by lilblam
Actually, the truth isn't that simple.. it takes a lot of mental effort to learn and understand.. and much determination. It is the RELIGIONS that oversimplify reality... good people go to heaven, bad people go to hell, God created everything that is, the end. Reality is infinitely complex and hyperdimentional... all that we see is an illusion.
the truth is very simple and if you knew it you would know that.
the world was shaped by the minds of children,it couldnt be anything but simple.
Alright, but the minds of children are infinitely complex. Quantum dynamics... multi-dimentionality, and EVERYTHING that exists that we're aware of at this time, is less than 0.0000000000001% of reality. In fact, it is infinitely less than that, because reality is infinite in scope. So sure you can say it's simple, but simplicity is relative. What seems simple to one person, seems complex to another. However, you cannot deny that you know NOTHING of reality and how it works, and neither can I.
Once you say it is simple, is your mind ancitipating learning the truth that is SIMPLE, and if it is anything other than what you want it to be (simple), then it must not be the truth? Well good luck with that frame of mind.
Originally posted by Gazrok
Interestingly enough, you'll see that it's often the Christians that elevate a debate into a rant...
It's because they are passionate about their beliefs, and then the mud-slinging and name-calling commence....
The Black Jesus thread is an excellent example...
Most of the atheists simply keep their cool, most of the time...
Still, I think it's healthy. When a religion or even atheism is attacked, it forces both sides to hit the books, and re-examine their stance, and in the process, learn something....so it's not all a negative thing....
Originally posted by Knightmare
one thing about this post Neo, it made it very easy to see who on ATS are the satanists. A true satanist, whether concious of it or not, will rally to defend him.
What i find even more odd, is the people who believe in a devil, but not a God...
Originally posted by lilblam
Originally posted by squintingcat
Originally posted by lilblam
Actually, the truth isn't that simple.. it takes a lot of mental effort to learn and understand.. and much determination. It is the RELIGIONS that oversimplify reality... good people go to heaven, bad people go to hell, God created everything that is, the end. Reality is infinitely complex and hyperdimentional... all that we see is an illusion.
the truth is very simple and if you knew it you would know that.
the world was shaped by the minds of children,it couldnt be anything but simple.
Alright, but the minds of children are infinitely complex. Quantum dynamics... multi-dimentionality, and EVERYTHING that exists that we're aware of at this time, is less than 0.0000000000001% of reality. In fact, it is infinitely less than that, because reality is infinite in scope. So sure you can say it's simple, but simplicity is relative. What seems simple to one person, seems complex to another. However, you cannot deny that you know NOTHING of reality and how it works, and neither can I.
Once you say it is simple, is your mind ancitipating learning the truth that is SIMPLE, and if it is anything other than what you want it to be (simple), then it must not be the truth? Well good luck with that frame of mind.
you talk a lot but say nothing.
we are talking about religion here,what do quantum dynamics,muliti dimentionality and hyper dimentions have to do with this thread other than to let the rest of us know you know something about them.
it does not matter how complex something seems to one person,if its simple its simple.the fact that someone dosent get it dosent change that.
why people felt safer in large groups is simple,how rituals came about is simple,how what we call religion came about is simple,how and why humans took advantage of that is simple,understanding how intelligent humans were thousands of years ago compared to today is simple.
the truth is simple no matter what you say.
Originally posted by squintingcat
Originally posted by lilblam
Originally posted by squintingcat
Originally posted by lilblam
Actually, the truth isn't that simple.. it takes a lot of mental effort to learn and understand.. and much determination. It is the RELIGIONS that oversimplify reality... good people go to heaven, bad people go to hell, God created everything that is, the end. Reality is infinitely complex and hyperdimentional... all that we see is an illusion.
the truth is very simple and if you knew it you would know that.
the world was shaped by the minds of children,it couldnt be anything but simple.
Alright, but the minds of children are infinitely complex. Quantum dynamics... multi-dimentionality, and EVERYTHING that exists that we're aware of at this time, is less than 0.0000000000001% of reality. In fact, it is infinitely less than that, because reality is infinite in scope. So sure you can say it's simple, but simplicity is relative. What seems simple to one person, seems complex to another. However, you cannot deny that you know NOTHING of reality and how it works, and neither can I.
Once you say it is simple, is your mind ancitipating learning the truth that is SIMPLE, and if it is anything other than what you want it to be (simple), then it must not be the truth? Well good luck with that frame of mind.
you talk a lot but say nothing.
we are talking about religion here,what do quantum dynamics,muliti dimentionality and hyper dimentions have to do with this thread other than to let the rest of us know you know something about them.
it does not matter how complex something seems to one person,if its simple its simple.the fact that someone dosent get it dosent change that.
why people felt safer in large groups is simple,how rituals came about is simple,how what we call religion came about is simple,how and why humans took advantage of that is simple,understanding how intelligent humans were thousands of years ago compared to today is simple.
the truth is simple no matter what you say.
Simple is relative, so you cannot use that. Everything is infinite. If infinity is simple, so be it. Simple is a word like good and evil.. it's like saying "Devil is evil no matter what you say".. well so be it.
Things are what they ARE, simple is just someone's perception of it. And how does all that stuff I said relate to religion? Because religions ASSUME to know what reality is, when in fact they haven't the slightest clue. They are based on assumptions and outright lies. Well so are American politics...
Some things are hard to certain individuals, some things are simple. If all that you named is simple to you, so be it. Is it simple to everyone? No. Does this mean it is all simple? No, it means it IS what it IS... simple is just your opinion of it.
Once again, it is simply infinite. Is infinity simple? That's irrelavant
[Edited on 25-2-2004 by lilblam]
Originally posted by THENEO
Even though there has been many threads and often with large post counts, we still on a daily basis get the ubitiquous 'there is no god,' or christianity is the root of all evil, or Jesus was this color, or Islam is the demon faith etc., kind of threads being started.
Is it just me or do you agree or disagree with my premise here? How much do we have to thrash out the same subject here over and over?
Originally posted by Scat
since when has ATS been a christian site???
and honestly, neo, it seems as if you're simply FUELING mor religious debate forums instead of bringing them to a halt!
this thread already has 8 pages!
so quit complaining, maybe everyone isnt at YOUR high level of genius, but they arent stupid. and their beliefs deserve just as much respect.
Originally posted by THENEO
Lilblam,
all good comments but in my mind what keeps me from the etheral is evil.
remember live=evil.
Thanks but I am aware of my superior intellect vs most of the rest of the posters at ATS.
Their beliefs do deserve respect but that does not make them valid.
Lastly, I made this thread because it needed to be made.