Good people black & white are dying needlessly in africa and elsewhere.I'm saying he's stirring the racial pot to no advantage of anyone.
He wants to be an activist fine,dont use the pulpit,lots of people take a preachers word to heart much more than an activist.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Hannity and Colmes (did I spell their names right?) are having an 'all-out' on this at 9:00 eastern tonight.

I haven't ever watched them .. but tonight I might. Isn't Hannity on the right and Colmes on the left? Something like that?

Anyways, they are supposed to have lots of clips, etc etc

I would'nt bother, Hannity is as bad as the rest of them on Fox.

Tonight he ducked and dived questions from the guests, but when they relied to his questions with something he did'nt like, he just keeps saying that they are ducking the question and they get cut off.

Obama was on there tonight too, and he once again said that the comments from his pastor were unacceptable. I don't think the guy can do much more really.

This evening i made the mistake of watching Fox News for about 4 hours non stop. In that time, just by listening to Hannity and Colmes and the ever an idiot O'reilly, i have increased my hatred for that unfair and unbalanced pile of rubbish show tenfold!

CX.

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Again, where's the hate?

All I hear is you guys ranting and raving, but nobody can point out anything this guy has said that qualifies as racial hatred.

This is not a "white" country, BTW.
This country belongs to everyone who lives here, white, black, brown, whatever...



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how many time's do i need to say it, read my posts lol

wot videos have you actully watched then? lets just say the pastor was not american and come's from erm i dont know somewhere that is a know enemy of yours the U.S etc, would you still feel the same way? i find it even more worrying that hes a u.s Citizen, so im guessing your not a patriot and care little for your nations future, because terning blind eye's to these sort of rants will only end up with a told you so and full stop.

like someone said on here before obama is close very close with this man sure it dont mean he shares the same thorts does it! of course not!, but it does mean he sympathizes with him or at least agree on some of his points. and there all anti-white issuse, that being racist in my books,

God help us all when people have the idea any news show is so biased that its too offensive to watch. Have you only watched what you agree with?I don't watch soap operas but they are mindless drivel,any news station at any time has the same news except the times they have the opinion shows.They all have them even HNNthat has the Showbiz Tonight running half the day(i know who you watch),all three at one time or anouther has shown more than the OP.s video.These parishioners gladly drink the cool-ade with glee,how do they view their white coworkers the next day?Can you pick and choose?If the black and white scales were tipped would you show the whites how a just and equal society should be run.
I hope to god you will. But not with this man as your ambassador!


Discuss among yourselves.

I haven't read any of this thread, but felt compelled to comment; so my ideas may be redundant. I've been following this story since it broke, and I think I know most of the necessary details. That said, Obama's pastor made a lot of incendiary statements, no one can argue that. Perhaps many, will view them as Anti-American and racist--the latter I do not see, but many Conservatives will argue otherwise. Regardless, they've got Obama in a pickle. Many people may think will/should sink Obama and his campaign--eh, perhaps. However, my real beef with all this--superficially, as I've yet to delve into the intricacies--is the spin the GOP and conservative supporters put on anyone that questions America's role in the way nations, rogue nations or terrorist organizations treat America. Apparently Obama's pastor implied or outright stated that America was at least partially to blame for the 911 attacks...Now, no one put a gun to the terrorists' heads and told them to kill thousands...but perhaps America's actions in the world were a catalyst to the events. Is that so out-there? That one's actions could influence the reactions of someone else? Understand that I am NOT excusing terrorists, just as I think Obama's pastor was not excusing terrorists. I believe that the terrorists were evil. I believe had they survived their acts of terror that the US should have executed them. I believe Muslim extremists ARE a threat to WESTERN security. What I HATE about this whole affair is how conservatives are USING it to maintain a monopoly on patriotism.

If you can't quote me something the guy said that's racist, how the hell can you keep saying he's racist?!?

What did the guy say, specifically, that is racist?
Just give me a quote, please, so I know what the hell you're talking about!

He's a black preacher, preaching about racism, among other things.

What exactly is so shocking about that?

In two days every news cast will have story after story to heal the wounds that this has created.
Only to salvage the dems. in their little race war(and only talked up by the left),still played 24/7 on all the news to no end!Back to the leftout states for votes(boo hoo),glad one had a dem. gov.or the sh** would have really hit the wall.
Obamas pastor retired thats a joke,now holds a higher position in the church.You don't switch the flavor of the cool-ade in midstream.

OK, now I have a better idea what you mean.

The idea that 9/11 was "chickens coming home to roost" is not the same as saying they were a good thing, or justified.

He doesn't say the people killed on 911 deserved it, or that the attacks were justified. He just says they were a consequence of the US's interventionist foreign policy, which is true, whether we want to admit it or not.

The truth is, the US has been fighting wars in other people's countries for a hundred years. Go around the world picking fights and sooner or later someone is going to bring their war to your doorstep.

That's not a good thing, but it's a fact of life.

All racism is ugly, iv'e done it youv'e done it, but we were not preaching to people that hold us as a(SPOKESMAN OF GOD),with the agenda of getting someone into the presidency or just fomenting racial distrust in all levels.

Originally posted by xmotex
If you can't quote me something the guy said that's racist, how the hell can you keep saying he's racist?!?

What did the guy say, specifically, that is racist?
Just give me a quote, please, so I know what the hell you're talking about!

He's a black preacher, preaching about racism, among other things.

What exactly is so shocking about that?

first of all he's complaining about living in a whitemans country, well there are many things you could do about that other than moaning about it......i mean ? ehh

ok next point on this video, he says it just come to me y'all why so many people are hating on obama, Yeah because of your idiot fascist comments now my freind lol he really does remind me of hitler saying the near enuff Esactly the same thing about jews, but before this rev i was not aware of any hating infact he was the MOST liked candidate...

so next he goes on to say hillery dont know wot its like to be a blackman another lol well of course she dont shes female for a bloody start god this guy is so full of hate its unreal i have never seen anthing like it apart from a very angry hitler speach,

right so acording to him black people have to work twice as hard to get accepted, no no no no how untrue, and taxi drivers drive past because of there skin colour, just utter lies and more crying.

so without him saying anything racist, it all adds up to the fact he hates white people and that is? well its racist is it not, if i blamed every problem i have in my life onto the blackman it would imply RACE + HATE = RACIST just because hes not saying it in any blaytant way i think anybody with half a brain could tell he is a racist behind closed doors.


if he is not a hate filled racist in your eye's will you at least agree with me he is a fascist

OH MY WORD!!!!


i never see that video but just *noding head* right now shocking stuff,


america nuked nagasaki & hiroshima because it would of been them getting nuked along with the brits & europe for god sake!!! it was a world war we never started but was threatend buy fascist, this man talks utter SH*T lets not forget the secret u-boat that took urainium to japan to make a nuke for them also, lets not forget japan attacked pearl harbour first, just like the WTC was by terroist, there really is no point this hitler talking at all without talking the "truth" instead of his fabricated conspiracy theoys AND insiting RACE HATE we have all worked so hard for over the many years,

just as you think obama could actully mend this issue and help eradicate it and just maybe the world was moving on, it turns out to be a very diffrent picture and is still very much alive, god this idiot rev has just set the cloak back some years

To be fascist you need a goverment behind you.
This is the type of back and forth we see in this country.
It shows every one who we are, it may not be pretty.
Somehow it works.

We will get past the dems backstabbing and on to the the real election .
Obama's past dealings with this pastor may bring out droves of voters that otherwise would have sat in the sidelines.

Hillary might have dug her own grave(don't tell me she wasn't the only player on the preacher news).

We will have another contested election only it will be dems against dems,HA.

Also of notice, pay careful attention to what is said around 01:25:

Well he said the governemt lied about creating HIV, a conspiracy theory that has a lot of traction among black people if not much connection to reality.

Then he goes on to say that the government lied about a connection between Iraq and Al Quaeda, which is true. Cheney is still trying to repeat the same lie, in fact, even though the military recently pointed out the opposite.

I see a lot of hyperbole, and at least one fairly outrageous claim.
Nothing that wouldn't be said in an ordinary discussion on ATS.

I still don't see the racial hatred everyone is going off about.

Complaining that blacks have historically faced racism in the US at the hands of whites isn't "racism."

It's pointing out a simple fact that some people would prefer to ignore.



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