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Obama's Pastor Blames America for 9-11

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posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy

Originally posted by OralFixation

The reporter actually mentions Obama nodding his head in agreement when Wright was talking about "United States of White America" and blaming "White Arrogance" for the problems of the world.


So the reporter got the video of that right? Can you post it please?


Email the author of the article and ask him about it:
archive.newsmax.com...




posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
it's called Blowback, I understand how the truth can be offensive when your race is the source of the problem but sooner or later you will have to admit it.


"My race"? One could also say that blacks are "the problem", relative to violent crimes, rape and welfare in the U.S.



Originally posted by ModernAcademia
India would be the richest country on the planet if it wasn't for british people(whiteman).


Yes, we all know those despotic Rajahs had the best interests in mind for their oppressed masses, in-between fighting neighbouring kingdoms.

Seriously, are you one of those nutters that believes that the reason sub-Saharan Africa is in absolute chaos is because of the "White Man's" oppression? That the white Rhodesians, Angolans etc before fleeing from their "loving black brothers" (:@@
stripped the roads, exhausted the mineral mines, burned the farms down, destroyed the cities...


Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Settler colonialism, american whites are immigrants yet call everyone else immigrants when many of them immigrated to this country


LOL! If you go back far enough, all inhabitants of America, native American, European, African etc are "immigrants".
Also, Wikipedia states this:

The modern concept of immigration is related to the development of nation-states and nationality law. Citizenship in a nation-state confers an inalienable right of residence in that state, but residency of non-citizens is subject to conditions set by immigration law. The emergence of nation-states made immigration a political issue: by definition it is the homeland of a nation defined by shared ethnicity and/or culture.

Immigration - Wikipedia

So, can you point me to a history book describing the Native American nationality laws, immigration laws, "rights of residence"....



Originally posted by ModernAcademia
legally when your great grandparents came here genocide as your visa, they killed native americans and stole this land and created a holiday to celebrate genocide every year.


Please - just like the hyperbole that all whites owned slaves, just is this hyperbole:
As a fifth-generation white New Zealander, can you please tell me which native Americans my ancestors helped destroy via genocide, in-between their flight from Industrial-Era Britain/Ireland/Hungary and arriving in New Zealand?



Originally posted by ModernAcademia
War on Terrorism is just way to market racism against the brownman, it's as simple as that.


Wait, are you an adherent of that hack "Francis Cress Welsing"? Because if the "War on Terror" is just "genocide by the White Man", can I get my money back - I don't think the white/black/"Hispanic" etc soldiers in Iraq/Afghanisatn are killing enough "browns"!



Originally posted by ModernAcademia
War on Drugs is just propoganda to put blacks and other minorities in jail.


Don't do the drugs, and you won't be arrested.
Naw, just kidding - when I visited an American ghetto, you could watch swarms of white men forcing innocent blacks, "hispanics" etc to take crack coc aine and every other drug known to man.



Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Historically white people are the most dangerous people on this planet, and every race which came in contact with them throughout history was left proverty striken, diseased, poor, or oppressed.


Alright, I'll concede this point to you, as long as you:
* Stop using "our" (i.e. developed by white people) agricultural techniques (hey, look at Zimbabwe - those blacks REALLY turned it into "breadbasket of Africa" after displacing those white farmers
)
* Stop using "our" technology (don't worry, I'm sure the Indians/black Africans etc were also developing quantum theory, computer science, unlocking the secrets of DNA etc before the arrival of the "White Man" :@@



Originally posted by ModernAcademia
I apologize for speaking such harsh truth, but whether you admit it or not it remains fact and not opinion.


Yes, just because you say it it must be right!



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 10:28 PM
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But come on people, this is the church Barack has been visiting for the last twenty years - it's obvious that he must agree with their views, our he would've denounced them by now.

And wasn't this the same pastor that Obama said was his spiritual advisor?

Oh, and here's some more "loving" from the good Pastor:

Link

The truth's finally coming out about "Obomination" and all I can say is:

About bloody time!



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by Chaoticar

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
it's called Blowback, I understand how the truth can be offensive when your race is the source of the problem but sooner or later you will have to admit it.



"My race"? One could also say that blacks are "the problem", relative to violent crimes, rape and welfare in the U.S.



Here we go again, a person trying to justify his race had no hand in the atrocities around the world, blaming anything to protect his irrational... rational.

I quess Santa Claus killed Dr. King, huh? I quess the Chinese forced the British at gun point to flood their country with opium? I quess the Godfearing southern plantation owners were beating blacks to leave the fields for a better life, huh?

Only in your world friend.

Then, he goes into his Websters dictionary to point out key words to further distance his quilt from historical fact. To follow your lead, tracing who was where first, remember your own scholars say we're all from a black faced, kinky haired African woman. That's a hell ova family tree buddy!

And as far as your clever comment about blacks being the problem as far as crimes, rape and welfare... Please. LOL!

Question - how many black men were raping white women -VS- white men raping black women in 1850? There's a problem now huh?? Your facts ad up like a wish list for "Racist High School." You are a person in total denial, the kind that are running your country into ground.



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 11:27 PM
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It's the same smear campaign against Obama that the FBI and media
used against Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X.
The media accused Martin Luther King of being a communist,
a criminal, you name it but his integrity defeated all the
Bill O'Reilly Fox news propagandists of his day and today we
celebrate a day off in his honor. You are witnessing the attempted
crucifixion of Obama by the cruel propaganda machine of the
corporate media.

Martin Luther King Jr rubbed shoulders with some bad people so did
Jesus. It doesn't mean that the bad rubbed off on them.

Obama has the CLARITY and WISDOM of a GREAT STATESMAN.

He has a mind that will write the 21st century version of the
Gettysburg Address!!!
Obama will be the best President since JFK.
Even Ted Kennedy - JFK's brother says that.



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 11:47 PM
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I am not a fan of anybody in this Election besides some that already dropped out. Personally, I don't really give a darn if Obama is friends with this guy. It's Fox News propaganda crap because they're run by high level Republicans.

If something like this happened to McCain, nothing would be reported. It's bull and I hate the media bias on republicans. It's not fair and balanced.

"Fox News: The Republican Network"



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 11:53 PM
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Originally posted by Level X
Here we go again, a person trying to justify his race had no hand in the atrocities around the world, blaming anything to protect his irrational... rational.


Where did I "ever" attempt to "whitewash" colonialism? I'm just confused why you idiots seem to believe that "all" white people are somehow responsible for the ills of the current world:
* Starvation in Zimbabwe?
* China's oppression of the native Tibetans?
* Genocide in the Sudan?

Yep, those white people are at it again!



Originally posted by Level X
I quess Santa Claus killed Dr. King, huh? I quess the Chinese forced the British at gun point to flood their country with opium? I quess the Godfearing southern plantation owners were beating blacks to leave the fields for a better life, huh?


Please - if you "want" me to show you the truth that the "Good Reverend" King had a lot of..."Communist-leaning" friends, was a noted bisexual...

And, as an aside - why is it that Martin Luther King Jr's family has almost sole access to the FBI records on "the King"?

And I wonder if you believe that those nice black chappies that torture, rape etc the white South Africans during the robberies are "just" about getting as much loot as they can get their hands on, right - or was burning the unfortunate victims with brands, raping them etc the "staple" of robberies now?



Originally posted by Level X
Then, he goes into his Websters dictionary to point out key words to further distance his quilt from historical fact. To follow your lead, tracing who was where first, remember your own scholars say we're all from a black faced, kinky haired African woman. That's a hell ova family tree buddy!


Hey, just give me the Immigration Laws, Rights of Residence etc of the "Native American States" and I'll gladly staple my fingers into a fist, so as to prevent further idiocy spilling out onto the online world.


And so what - we also "share" a common ape-like ancestor - does that make us "apes"?



Originally posted by Level X
And as far as your clever comment about blacks being the problem as far as crimes, rape and welfare... Please. LOL!


These say otherwise:
"Black juveniles comprised 53.3 percent of all juveniles arrested for violent crime"
"Almost 40% of forcible rape arrests for blacks"



Originally posted by Level X
Question - how many black men were raping white women -VS- white men raping black women in 1850? There's a problem now huh?? Your facts ad up like a wish list for "Racist High School." You are a person in total denial, the kind that are running your country into ground.


Has someone been watching that plagiarised trash known as Roots again?

Seriously, some evidence would be nice.

Wait, what am I saying - I'll gladly concede that us "evil whites" are more evil than blacks if you answer me this:
What happened to the white French settlers/mulattoes during the Haitian Revolution?
What happened to the Arab settlers in Zanzibar during the Zanzibar Revolution?



posted on Mar, 16 2008 @ 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by GoldenGalaxy
It's the same smear campaign against Obama that the FBI and media
used against Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X. The media accused Martin Luther King of being a communist,
a criminal.


"He wasn't a Communist! He just had Communist friends, advisors, financiers etc!"


Please - the FBI "investigated" MLK because they thought he was a threat to U.S. society, just like the KKK and other "white supremacist" groups they also investigated.


Originally posted by GoldenGalaxy
Obama has the CLARITY and WISDOM of a GREAT STATESMAN.


LOL! Is that why he skipped 17% of his votes in the Senate?



posted on Mar, 17 2008 @ 12:23 AM
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reply to post by Chaoticar
 


The FBI investigated Martin Luther King because the closet
homosexual J. Edgar Hoover was a racist. The only
reason the FBI investigated the KKK during those days is because
decent Americans like Eisenhower and JFK kicked J. Edgar in his
girly pantied butt and got him to get his his hairy ass in gear.
J. Edgar Hoover previously always sat on his hands and Hoovered
his male assistants and never helped Afro-Americans.

J. Edgar Hoover was a DISGRACE. Everyone knows that.
Martin Luther King gets a Holiday named after him and
J Edgar Hoover gets the world's foot so far up his butt
that the toenails tickle his tonsils.



posted on Mar, 17 2008 @ 12:39 AM
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Originally posted by GoldenGalaxy
The FBI investigated Martin Luther King because the closet
homosexual J. Edgar Hoover was a racist.


The Testimony of John Edgar Hoover, Director, Federal Bureau of Investigation, United States Department of says otherwise - you dolts forget that the FBI was protecting U.S. society, and if Neo-Nazis, white separatists etc provided a danger to the U.S. as it was, they would be investigated.

The "homosexual" rumours were just baseless slander.

J Edgar Hoover on MLK's "views":

“Such a course of action is fraught with danger, for if everyone took it upon himself to break any law that he believed was morally unjust, it is readily apparent there would be complete chaos in
this country
.”
- Congressional Record (October 4, 1967), p.H13008.

MLK repeatedly stated that he, and he alone determined which laws "were" and "weren't" morally unjust - hey, maybe we should all decide which laws are and aren't "morally just"? I think some imprisoned pedophiles, murderers, rapists etc are really going to like that idea!


And please tell me who was the driving force behind the hunt for MLK's killer.


Originally posted by GoldenGalaxy
The only reason the FBI investigated the KKK during those days is because
decent Americans like Eisenhower and JFK kicked J. Edgar in his girly pantied butt and got him to get his his hairy ass in gear. J. Edgar Hoover previously always sat on his hands and Hoovered his male assistants and never helped Afro-Americans.


More baseless slander.


Originally posted by GoldenGalaxy
J. Edgar Hoover was a DISGRACE. Everyone knows that.
Martin Luther King gets a Holiday named after him and
J Edgar Hoover gets the world's foot so far up his butt
that the toenails tickle his tonsils.


Please - if the Media Cartel WANTS a J Edgar Hoover Holiday, they will MAKE a J Edgar Hoover holiday.



posted on Mar, 17 2008 @ 12:52 AM
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Everything I said about J Edgar Hoover has even been
on the History Channel. It's in every reliable biography
in every library in the United States. You're just ignorant
of history.

Yeah right the Media can just make a J Edgar Hoover Holiday.
That has to be the most DELUDED statement in the history
of ATS forums. It's beyond laughable it's a friggin riot. HA HA Heh heh
Ha Ha Ha Heh Heh, I can't stop laughing at that one- a J Edgar Hoover
Holiday -yeah and will you be in the parade wearing girls panties?
Ha Ha Heh Heh hee hee. This is so funny!!!!



posted on Mar, 17 2008 @ 12:55 AM
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Originally posted by OralFixation

Email the author of the article and ask him about it:
archive.newsmax.com...


Or maybe you can just not post stuff you don't want to back up


This is a discussion forum. Post it here and we will talk about it. If you knew you didn't have anything to back it up then why did you post it?Seriously man. I spend a lot of time researching stuff for ATS, I don't need more homework.

Or is there simply no video to show what you implied? If that's the case then why did you say it. Please just say things you can back up.

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posted on Mar, 17 2008 @ 01:17 AM
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While I don't necessarily believe that Obama believes in everything the good Reverend Wright preaches, his professed ignorance of the man's views is hard to believe.

Jeremiah Wright "sermoned" along these similar lines for many, many years and did not hide his beliefs..........tapes and videos of him are available for sale and have been for many years to today. No way Obama didn't have a notion of this guy's beliefs. I do think that Barack did mingle with this church, as has been conjectured, to "get in good" in the Chicago scene with A-As. I don't think he ever expected, as a serious campaign issue, for this to come up on a national level and thus his scrambling.

The issue here is not Obama's faith or belief or intentions............but his judgement......and "judgement" has been a major part of his campaign to this point. To be a "uniter" who "transcends" race/religion/ethnicity/politics is a tough sell.

To be one who has actively associated with a congregation and pastor that routinely preaches hatred of the country.......racial hate......political conspiracy....makes it even harder.



posted on Mar, 17 2008 @ 01:36 AM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Can someone do me a favor and tell me exactly what this pastor has said and that was untrue?


sure why not,

1 black jesus?

2 whitemen infected blackmen with hiv........HIV came from monkeys, MONKEYS! CDC indicates it was transmitted to humans from eating inffected meat.

3 hiroshima & nagasaki was nuked to END the world war, where millions & millions more people would have die if thay didnt, and lets not forget hitler sent a secret cargo of plans & urainium for the japs to build a nuke for themselfs to nuke the us, so it had nothing to do with with america being terroists or evil lol


god i cant be assed to name them all, there is so many lie's this man is deluded hate filled and insane, take you head out of the sand please..



posted on Mar, 17 2008 @ 01:58 AM
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That preacher is such a bigot - racist - separatist, whatever you want to call him. That realllllllllly hurt Obama being tied to that fool (imo).



posted on Mar, 17 2008 @ 02:22 AM
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Originally posted by GoldenGalaxy
Everything I said about J Edgar Hoover has even been
on the History Channel. It's in every reliable biography
in every library in the United States. You're just ignorant
of history.


Yeah sure, typical cop-out throwing the onus on me to disprove/prove your claims.


Originally posted by GoldenGalaxy
Yeah right the Media can just make a J Edgar Hoover Holiday.
That has to be the most DELUDED statement in the history
of ATS forums. It's beyond laughable it's a friggin riot.


No, the Media only creates the image in the mind of the viewer that the person involved was "in need of commemoration" and - with enough persons as..."influenced" as you - steps are taken to "commemorate" the person involved.
The Media Cartel has more influence over the public than you would think...


Originally posted by GoldenGalaxy
yeah and will you be in the parade wearing girls panties?


Note: That "allegation" has never been corroborated, and it's source was the Official and Confidential: The Secret Life of J Edgar Hoover by Anthony Summers, who believed JFK was killed by a "vast Right-Wing Conspiracy" (no bias there! Hey, maybe we can have a Hamas fighter cover the Madrid Bombings?
)

[edit on 17-3-2008 by Chaoticar]



posted on Mar, 17 2008 @ 02:35 AM
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Some information on "that ol' transvestite" J. Edgar Hoover:

J. Edgar Hoover (The Straight Dope):


Summers says he got his info from Susan Rosenstiel...journalist Peter Maas wrote that Susan Rosenstiel, the sole source of the cross-dressing allegations, had "been trying to peddle this story for years," apparently because she believed Hoover had put FBI agents on her tail to help her husband during their divorce.


(Geez, we've really got some "impartial" witnesses here!
)


Hoover was an old hand at blackmail--he used incriminating information his agency collected about prominent people to maintain his hold on office and otherwise get his way. Would a man with so many enemies put himself in a position to be blackmailed by waltzing around a hotel in drag?


(Credibility eroding second by second
)


Summers also claims that the FBI gave the Mafia a pass for many years because mob boss Meyer Lansky had a photo of Hoover and Tolson having sex....Once ordered to take on the mob by Robert Kennedy, Hoover pursued Lansky in particular with zeal--irrational behavior if Lansky could expose him. Maas also wrote that when he asked Lansky's closest associate about the photo, the old mafioso replied, "Are you nuts?"


Now that your unsupported claims have been refuted, can we please get back to the real subject of Reverend Wright, and his claims?



posted on Mar, 17 2008 @ 06:55 AM
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Originally posted by TomProctor
It's Fox News propaganda crap ......


The FACT that Obama is telling lies to cover his racism and anti-americanism is on all the news outlets .. FOX, MSNBC, CNN, etc.

Fox didn't force Obama to stay in that 'church' for 20 years. Obama could have walked out. He didn't.

Fox didn't force Obama to donate financially to that 'church' for 20 years. Obama could have quit. He didn't.

Fox didn't force Obama to sit in the pews NODDING IN AGREEMENT when his mentor Wright made racist and anti-American statements. Obama did that all on his own.

And now Obama is telling LIES to cover that up. But the truth is out.

He isn't a candidate of 'hope' or 'change' or 'unity'.
He's just like any other politician - a liar - except he's worse because he's pretending to be someone who is for 'change' and 'unity' when in fact he's just a racist pig.



posted on Mar, 17 2008 @ 07:20 AM
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lol, you cant blame Obama. I agree that what his pastor is saying. Its true 100%, besides the word "black" put "white" aswell. Lol then again, people are going to keep ranting "oh how horrible, hes the anti-christ....blah blah blah.

Hes saying hilary was rich and always will, not understanding what its like to experiance struggling etc. How can you people be so mad? I sense racism. You people dont realize "the elite rich" control the world?

Then again i dont think obama will make any difference reguardless[or maybe]. Except the first balck president. Why not? Lets give it a try. But i seriously think this election may back-fire both ways. we'll find out. Someone says Obama will be assassinated somewhere on a thread, well there are all types of racist groups out there. Who's saying nothing bad will happen when Hilary is elected?

[edit on 17-3-2008 by ItsFrickenAndrew]

[edit on 17-3-2008 by ItsFrickenAndrew]



posted on Mar, 17 2008 @ 09:01 AM
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This preacher is a joke imo. It's plain to see he isn't 100% black, and is the product of a mixed marriage. He's almost whiter than me, I'm itialian.

Obama is not black either.

What gives this away is his quotes on such and such "because you weren't black enough".

So thats the obvious connection he has with Obama, they both come from mixed marriages.

As far as the younger blacks in the audience not feeling the same hate as this man. I don't buy that one bit, there were plenty of Blacks, (real dark skin blacks), were all patting this hate monger on the back and clapping in the audience. People my age, who knew nothing of the days of rosa Parks.

Slavery is gone, if you still feel like a slave in america today, your free... move to another country if you don't like this one. "God Damn America"? Is this guy kidding me.

He just had a rough time growing up as a light skinned black man, and probably picked on and called names by full blacks. More Black on Black hate. That he now takes out on the whites.

AND EVERYONE has been passed up by a NYC cab, that joke is really old. This guy comes across more like a comedian, than a pastor imo. If this was Chris Rock saying this stuff, it'd be funny. But coming from a supposed "Man of god", during a sermon, inexcusible.

Two wrongs don't make a right, and turning the other cheek is the godly way to go. Let it go, let by gones be by gones. A man of God should know this, and preach it instinctively. This is blatant hate speech imo.

I'm glad this is out in the open, cause Obama almost had me fooled there for a second.



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