The attacks of 911 were the culmination of 50+ years of failed policies in the Middle East and its naive to think otherwise.

We are responsable for proping up dictators like Saddam, diposing democraticaly elected leaders like Mossadeq (just search ATS for Operation Ajax) EUrope, the UK and the US have all played a hand in incubating then fanning the flames of Islamic radicalism.

Makes me wonder if Obama has let anything slip from his conscience during confession?

A prompt for a subliminal and subtle release of information in plain sight, maybe even subconsciously without realization.

Stagnation is for for mosquito larve.
Progression is for people!

P FOR P!

PP On America! We need a PP march!

"While the insurgency gathers far across the sea,
Let us swear allegiance to a new type of order,
Let us all be grateful for a land so logical,
As we raise our voices in a solemn condemnation. "

God Damn America,
Land that I loathe.
Stand on top of her, and stomp her
Thru the night with a knife from above.
From the mountains, to the prairies,
To the oceans, white with rabinous foam
God Damn America, My hell sweet hell.

Cheer it with me!
We don't need no water let the MF Burn!

Just as we threw away the articles of confederation because they did not work, we must work to advance. We must advance to a new type of order.

A NEW WORLD ORDER.

I think it's about time we throw away the constitution!

We've done it before with no remorse, lets do it again for much recourse!
We've done it before with no remorse, lets do it again for much recourse!
We've done it before with no remorse, lets do it again for much recourse!
We've done it before with no remorse, lets do it again for much recourse!

Admitting that the 911 attacks were a consequence of interventionist US foreign policies over the last decades is not the same thing as saying that the 911 attacks were justified.

For those who say it was because they "hate our freedom" - if you noticed, they didn't fly those planes into buildings in Geneva or Stockholm.

Take it however you wish I personally don’t care for any of the candidates that are given to choose from. Though I guess Obama is the least evil.

Given that though I see this as nothing more than an attempt to sling mud so to speak. I really do not care what his pastor thinks or says it does not mean that Obama is right there in the same belief.

Now that I have said that, I would have to agree that there are points and reasons America can be to blame for 9/11. Maybe not the citizens so much but surely our great representatives and their ever so sweet workings (medaling) in world politics.

As I said take it however you wish, but really this is mudslinging.

Raist

xmotex,

Point taken. There is really no proof any Islamic terrorists flew planes into the building anyway, but I suppose that's a whole different discussion topic.

Bush brought up the whole they "hate our freedom" line and look how far that's gotten him...The US military is bogged down in 2 foreign wars and we've lost significant civil liberties.

So, wait a second.

Who exactly hates our freedom, Bush or the supposed terrorists we're fighting? I forget sometimes as I confuse the Bush Administration with terrorists.

I'm not a Democrat, and not an Obama supporter. But making him have guilt by association is stretching things a bit. Hell, I think my dentist is gay, but my wife has never objected to the work he does. My mechanic is certifiably nuts, in so many ways, but the vehicles run when he finishes, so I keep him. The local grocer served time for income tax fraud, but the veggies are nice.

Are we not reaching, and the media that reports such things, when we go to these lengths? What is there, six degrees of separation for everybody? If that's true, then we're all just five people between us and Osama bin Laden. Maybe this preacher is in the middle somewhere.

This man also say "God D@#& America" and "Hillary has never been called a N-word".
If this man is Obama's mentor, how does Obama expect to unite the country if he doesn't denounce this preacher of hate?

Any Preacher who can use that kind of language is not a man of God.

So he’s not preaching for God. The Father of Jesus, Abraham, Isaac, Moses. He may be a preacher but not the for God.

While he's right about 9/11, he's dead wrong in saying God damn America!

God needs to bless America, and Americans need to ask God for a helping hand. Americans until recent years have done much good around the world and welcomed anyone who wanted to come here with open arms, sounds like the pastor is an uneducated nut with little more than an internet credential as "Pastor"

The 9/11 bit, well, that;'s kind of common knowledge now?

Regarding the pastor, he is a bit racist , kind of slams everyone white europian, while white people with origins from europe votes for Obama.
I too want Obama to win, but this with black power... we won is kind of out dated.




[edit on 13-3-2008 by pepsi78]

Few people realise what a critical point we have reached in our history.

I liked Obama at first. He's charismatic and charming. He's a good speaker and someone new. Something just didn't click though.

First it was the people fainting at his rallies and then the Messianic Obama propaganda.

Now though I can clearly see whats going on.

There's a phrase, a wolf in sheeps clothing. Well Barack Hussein Obama is something worse.

He is a Serpent in Shepherd's Clothing.

This anti semitic, hate filled pastor is not only Obama's pastor, but the one who married Obama and his wife. He is the one who baptised his children.

People say but dont associate him with his pastor. I say this as a Jew as an American. If a Political Candidate went to a place to hear David Duke speak, we would judge him. I would judge him. This so called Man of G-d who calls upon G-d in vain to damn America, who is filled with the same irrational hate as any Nazi, is a Serpent in Shepherd's Clothing.

No one who stands for peace, who stands for equality, and who stands for freedom of all races and religions would dare support someone that sat and listened to David Duke for over twenty years. No one would support a person who had David Duke consumate his marriage or bless his children. No self respecting American of Jewish faith would dare support one who has sat and listened to an Anti Semitic Anti American who blasphemes as that pastor does.

I see clearly now and I encourage others to stand up and speak out.

If you are an American, If you are one who follows Judeo Christian traditions that helped lay the foundation of this nation, If you stand for liberty, equality and fraternity among all humankind regardless of race or creed.

I encourage you to stand up and speak out. I dont care if you vote for McCain or Clinton. We know them. We know who they are and how they operate. This stranger who listens to blasphemy, who appears as a Shepherd and speaks as a Serpent. Do not be lead astray, these Serpents are not true followers of Dr. King. They will bring only harm and ruin. They will tear this nation apart.

9/11 is a sketchy topic, I know this.

Look, to say we are not to blame at all is just ignoring basic facts. OBL threatened us for years of attack. We did not just get blindsided by a group of people who "hate freedom".

We have taken many offensive actions on Muslims.

As for the attack itself. It was not the correct way for the Muslim's to alter our policies in the Middle East. I understand it, but it wasn't right. Here's why:

It only gave politicians more excuse for military presence.

Unfortunately for Muslims, there wasn't much of a way to get through. Americans as a whole are too busy or dumb to care or know the plight of the region.

So they chose to attack. To me, I think if there were going to do this, they should have targeted only the military, and not civilians. Again, this enraged the country.

Now, to connect the dots. We have policies currently implemented in the Middle East that make absolutely no sense, unless they have to do with oil and controlling the region. Due to these policies, we have given Muslim extremists recruits.

There are always extremists. Just look, there are Christian extremists right now saying that we need to basically destroy Islam. Fortunately, Christians and Americans in general are not under extreme duress. If we were, this guy would seem to have legitamacy, and would begin to gain recruits.

After all this, how did we help cause 9/11?

We helped Islamic extremists recruit the people who attacked us by having silly policies implemented in the Middle East for the sole reason of greed.

[edit on 14-3-2008 by Sublime620]