Obama's Pastor Blames America for 9-11, page 2
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reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 01:56 AM by Sublime620
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Look how old he is. He was old enough to be there for the civil rights movement. He has been in that country. I don't think that many of the younger blacks feel the same way as he does, but I can't blame him one bit for it.

Look what this man has been though. Can you honestly say that if you were alive at a point where someone controlled where you could sit, go to the bathroom, work, shop, etc, that you would feel no feelings of resentment to them after it was over?

We're talking the same generation here. Not one, not two generations down. The same generation.

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reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 02:00 AM by MikeboydUS
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Dr. King lived through those horrible times, and he was not filled with irrational hate. He preached and spread a message of community and brotherhood for all people.


reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 02:03 AM by Sublime620
reply to post by MikeboydUS



Not everyone has amazing patience like Dr. King. That's why we have a Dr. King Jr. Day and not an Obama's Paster Day.



reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 02:07 AM by MikeboydUS
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Dr. King had more than patience, He had vision. He saw potential in America.

Obama's pastor on the other hand is blind.


reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 02:30 AM by BRITWARRIOR
Originally posted by Sublime620
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post by BRITWARRIOR



Look how old he is. He was old enough to be there for the civil rights movement. He has been in that country. I don't think that many of the younger blacks feel the same way as he does, but I can't blame him one bit for it.

Look what this man has been though. Can you honestly say that if you were alive at a point where someone controlled where you could sit, go to the bathroom, work, shop, etc, that you would feel no feelings of resentment to them after it was over?

We're talking the same generation here. Not one, not two generations down. The same generation.

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yes i do blame him he's probly seen and been though alot sure havent we all tho?, and he is directly blaming the whiteman i see him reffering to no other colour as a hole, yet knowing theres seeds of evil in all races & religions and thats a problem not just in the white race but as a hole human species, if he has lernt anything in his life and being a man of god, he should know how to forgive just like his "black jesus" said surely he's just neglecting his postion for his own reasons and problems in life and preaching hate imo,

i have been though alot in my life my old man was a drunk abusive man but i forgive him because he only made me a stronger person, you get no where in life holding grudges, you just get on with it, and move on, ive been to afghanistan with the royal anglian regt and seen where hatred ultimately leads you in fact if theres anything to learn from that country it is the reasons thay have allways been in conflict! because of there leaders acting like this man, and letting terroits plot attacks on innocent people though there warpped belife systems again just like this man, and id go again in a heartbeat, because i truly belive, these people need to be delt with...

and by the way im not a christian or religious in anyway i just belive in right
& wrong, and hope for a better world one day for all of us, and i really cant stand it when i see anybody preaching hatred like that wot ever colour or religion, so many silly people about still in this day & age history just keeps repeating itself



reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 02:53 AM by goosdawg
Originally posted by BRITWARRIOR
lets get facts straight jesus was not a black man nore has there ever been a powerfull black nation in history its the only race that has never been a powerfull civilized nation


Okay.... the straight facts are, he wasn't white, either:

The race of Jesus has been a subject of debate since at least the 19th century. The physical appearance of Jesus of Nazareth, though with no explicit emphasis on race, was also debated by theologians from early on in the history of Christianity. Different societies have depicted Jesus and most other biblical figures as their own ethnicity in their art; for example he is primarily white in the West, and black in Africa. Such representations are not, in the modern day, usually intended to be historically accurate. The current dominant opinion among historians and scientists is that he most likely had olive skin, resembling modern-day persons of Middle Eastern descent. Others, however, have suggested other possible racial backgrounds. For some Christians the question is complicated by the belief that his birth was a unique miracle, an "incarnation in flesh of divine substance."
Source | Race of Jesus | Wikipedia

But one shouldn't be inclined to indulge in ontological arguments debating the ethnicity of someone's imaginary friends or the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin, it'll only annoy the true believer and waste the time of the skeptic.

Nuf' said.

However, concerning the subject of a powerful black nation, ancient Nubian rulers immediately come to mind:

For 75 years Nubian kings ruled over ancient Egypt, reunifying the country and building an empire. Until recently, theirs was a chapter of history lost in the shadows.

In the year 730 B.C., a man by the name of Piye decided the only way to save Egypt from itself was to invade it. Things would get bloody before the salvation came.

“Harness the best steeds of your stable,” he ordered his commanders. The magnificent civilization that had built the great pyramids had lost its way, torn apart by petty warlords. For two decades Piye had ruled over his own kingdom in Nubia, a swath of Africa located mostly in present-day Sudan. But he considered himself the true ruler of Egypt as well, the rightful heir to the spiritual traditions practiced by pharaohs such as Ramses II and Thutmose III. Since Piye had probably never actually visited Lower Egypt, some did not take his boast seriously. Now Piye would witness the subjugation of decadent Egypt firsthand—“I shall let Lower Egypt taste the taste of my fingers,” he would later write.
Source | Black Pharaohs | National Geographic Magazine

One would be inclined to suggest that subjugating and ruling over all of Ancient Egypt would be indicative of a "powerful black nation," no?




Insofar as the subject of this thread, Obama's pastor appears to be just a bit racist, not unlike others in our midst.


reply posted on 14-3-2008 @ 10:33 AM by MikeboydUS
reply to post by Sublime620




If it was simple distrust it would not be an issue. Heck I was kind of paranoid when I was in Germany. I remember seeing a street named Judengassen, which was a jewish ghetto, but there were no jews.

His pastor on the other hand is on par with David Duke. I can't say I have met many Jews who felt about Germans the way his pastor feels about Whites, America or Zionists.


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