Obama's Pastor Blames America for 9-11

I am not an Obama supporter, like many other people, I am trying to choose from the lesser of three evils.
I question the timing of this in-depth analysis (by the press) of this pastor. From what I understand he has always been a fire and brim stone preacher. Elections have been lost and won by less newsworthy items.
That being said, the question about spiritual advisors and the presidents is where my interests lie. GWB is often in the press with Christian and God like words. If he has a spiritual advisor, he seems to be hushed about it. His wife is more open, speaking about the Camp David Champlain and his messages. Seems like Clinton had a few spiritual advisors, one that comes to mine is Tony Campolo. Once again, I do not know how much influence he had on him while he was president, but he did cash in on the president connection both by book and in paid speeches.
Many, many people attend (and support) a church, use the services to get married, buried, and baptized and never have a working relationship with their church leader. I have not seen Obama condone this preachers words.
We as people have very little control at what other people say.

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For all the ranting from the right, so far I still haven't seen one person that has been able to quote anything this guy has said that is "anti-white", let alone anti-semitic

He's a fire and brimstone black preacher, preaching about racism, among other things. Why do so many white people get all bent out of shape whenever they have to face the undeniable fact that white people have historically screwed over black people in this country?

Is it a guilt thing or something?
Get over it.

Recognizing racism doesn't mean you need to feel guilty for it.
I don't feel any personal guilt over slavery, or the other screwed up things white people have done to black people in this country.

Why?
Because I didn't do those things, and I reject the notion of collective guilt.

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Starred,
excellent post, you made some very telling points.
Why don't you come over to the candidate advocacy forum on AP, here?

More input would be great

This guy is one hateful racist sorry excuse for a human...
He blames everything on being black, go cry a river, the government hates you so bad they give you welfare, grants, scholarships faster then a white American. Thats hate right there.

The truth is, well....turn the channel on BET and you will understand why some blacks are useless to society. Doing nothing more productive then dressing like idiots and rapping about bitches, ice, and weed. Buts its White America's fault, US KKK of A.

This guy is a pos, and anyone who supports him needs a mental evaluation.

www.youtube.com...

Again, I don't see the alleged racism everyone is talking about.

I guess it's also "racist" against whites to point out that whites slaughtered most of the Native Americans - which they did

All I see is a firebrand preacher blowing out lots of hyperbole, and a bunch of whiny white people who think any mention of the ugly historical facts that makes them feel bad is "racism". (I'm white, by the way.)

What a bunch of BS...

Originally posted by xmotex
Again, I don't see the alleged racism everyone is talking about.

I guess it's also "racist" against whites to point out that whites slaughtered most of the Native Americans - which they did

All I see is a firebrand preacher blowing out lots of hyperbole, and a bunch of whiny white people who think any mention of the ugly historical facts that makes them feel bad is "racism". (I'm white, by the way.)

What a bunch of BS...

It's amazing. I never heard a word this guy said before this thread. I looked at two videos, one that was directly put together by fox news so I assume it involved the most inflammatory remarks he's ever said... and this is what they're making a big deal over? From the two video's I saw the guy made some pretty good points. He's overly concerned with race imo, but he believe he has a reason to be concerned, because the people in power are concerned about his race.

Wow I even like Obamas pastor. He is completely right though. America brought 9-11 on themselves

Originally posted by Damien_Hell
Wow I even like Obamas pastor. He is completely right though. America brought 9-11 on themselves

Well, I obviously don't support that statement, but is there such thing as "innocent victims".

Someone can rightly argue that a week old baby kill in a terrorist attack is pretty much innocent, but what about a normal citizen who vote (or not), pay taxes, etc., in other words, someone from whom his/her government do "stuff" on his/her name, is that person truly innocent?

If the action (foreign policy) of the USA, create/cause/maintain/etc. dictatorships around the world, create tension and injustice around the worlds in order to protect American interest, don't everybody at least partially guilty is the spring swing back?

Can someone do me a favor and tell me exactly what this pastor has said and that was untrue?

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Can someone do me a favor and tell me exactly what this pastor has said and that was untrue?

Basically, it is like Michael Moore rant, he blame every sin on the stupid white male.

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final ly someone making some sense.... just bc I'm white I'm supposed to be punished for what occured in the past??? sorry my family immigrated here so just bc I"m white I'm again the ""black""" the pastor seems hateful and is just storming weak individuals minds with his rants.. definitly don't hear any Christian love out of his mouth... I thought ppl go to church to get closer to God not to divide themselves racially... maybe the blacks that don't like it here would like it better in majority black countries where they are slughtering eachother and dieing from starvation

Great post!

Finally,

A preacher with the "Balls" to speak out on matters other than Adam & Eve, Noahs Ark, Ships in Whale stomach's and a Pillars of Salt. ....I say the Balls because this website is totally dedicated to conspiracy theories, and 911 is definitely tops on the list.

Don't get it twisted with hate or some race card.... This man is just telling the truth -- Right people??

I applaud this guy. He's right on point!

Now, if we could get those fake prophet's on the 700 clubs of the world to do the same?

There are various rumors as to what the bad guys plan for the near future. One rumor is to break the USA up into regions thus ending the "United States" and the constitution. The so-called civil rights movement of the 60s was such a practice run that was stopped by previous die hard black communists coming forward to tell the truth about what was going on. The most likely reason Obama would be given the presidency is to be the catalyst for the split. It makes perfect sense that such a puppet would be indirectly promoting black hate bs directed at the fabled USA rather then the banker/priest alliance that is really to blame.

Here's an article that proves that Obama was at a hate filled speech of Wrights. He lied to the American public, he has heard Wrights divisive words and opinions. The reporter actually mentions Obama nodding his head in agreement when Wright was talking about "United States of White America" and blaming "White Arrogance" for the problems of the world.

Obama's Church: Cauldron of Division
archive.newsmax.com...

Jim Davis
Thursday, Aug. 9, 2007

Presidential candidate Barack Obama preaches on the campaign trail that America needs a new consensus based on faith and bipartisanship, yet he continues to attend a controversial Chicago church whose pastor routinely refers to "white arrogance" and "the United States of White America."

In fact, Obama was in attendance at the church when these statements were made on July 22.

Obama has spoken and written of his special relationship with that pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.

The connection between the two goes back to Obama's days as a young community organizer in Chicago's South Side when he first met the charismatic Wright. Obama credited Wright with converting him, then a religious skeptic, to Christianity.

"It was ... at Trinity United Church of Christ on the South Side of Chicago that I met Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., who took me on another journey and introduced me to a man named Jesus Christ. It was the best education I ever had," Obama described his spiritual pilgrimage to a group of church ministers this past June.

Since the 1980s, Obama has not only remained a regular attendee at Wright's services in his inner city mega church, Trinity United Church of Christ, along with its other 8,500 members, he's been a close disciple and personal friend of Wright.

Wright conducted Obama's marriage to his wife Michelle, baptized his two daughters, and blessed Obama's Chicago home. Obama's best-selling book, "The Audacity of Hope," takes its title from one of Wright's sermons.

Because of this close relationship, questions have been raised as to the influence the divisive pastor will have on the consensus-building potential president.

Obama and Wright appear, at first blush, an unlikely pair. Wright is Chicago's version of the Rev. Al Sharpton.

It was no surprise that Sharpton recently announced that with Wright's backing, he was setting up a chapter of his New York-based National Action Network in Chicagoland. The chapter will be headed by Wright's daughter, Jeri Wright.

Minister of Controversy

Obama was not the only national African-American figure to cozy up to Wright. TV host Oprah Winfrey once described herself as a congregant, but in recent years has disassociated herself from the controversial minister.

A visit to Wright's Trinity United is anything but Oprah-style friendly.

As I approached the entrance of the church before a recent Sunday service, a large young man in an expensive suit stepped out to block the doorway.

"What are you doing here?" he asked.

"I came to hear Dr. Wright," I replied.

After an uncomfortable pause, the gentleman stepped aside.

On this particular July Sabbath morning, only a handful of white men — aside from a few members of Obama's Secret Service detail — were present among a congregation of approximately 2,500 people.

The floral arrangements were extravagant. Wright, his associate pastors, choir members, and many of the gentlemen in the congregation were attired in traditional African dashiki robes. African drums accompanied the organist.

Trinity United bears the motto "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian."

Wright says its doctrine reflects black liberation theology, which views the Bible in part as a record of the struggles of "people of color" against oppression.

A skilled and fiery orator, Wright's interpretation of the Scriptures has been described as "Afrocentric."

When referring to the Romans, for example, he refers to "European oppression" — not addressing the fact that the Egyptians, who were also a slave society, were people of Africa.

The Trinity United Web site tells of a "commitment to the black community, commitment to the black family, adherence to the black work ethic, pledge to make all the fruits of developing acquired skills available to the black community."

"Some white people hear it as racism in reverse," Dwight Hopkins, a professor at the University of Chicago Divinity School, a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ, tells The New York Times. Blacks tend to hear a different message, Hopkins says: "Yes, we are somebody; we're also made in God's image."

Controversy Abounds

Several prior remarks by Obama's pastor have caught the media's attention:

• Wright on 9/11: "White America got their wake-up call after 9/11. White America and the Western world came to realize people of color had not gone away, faded in the woodwork, or just disappeared as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns." On the Sunday after the attacks, Dr. Wright blamed America.
  
  
• Wright on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway: "Black women are being raped daily in Africa. One white girl from Alabama gets drunk at a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and gives it up while in a foreign country and that stays in the news for months."
  
  
• Wright on Israel: "The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years now. Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community and wake up Americans concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism."
  
  
• Wright on America: He has used the term "middleclassness" in a derogatory manner; frequently mentions "white arrogance" and the "oppression" of African-Americans today; and has referred to "this racist United States of America."
  

Bush's Bulls--t

Wright's strong sentiments were echoed in the Sunday morning service attended by NewsMax.

Wright laced into America's establishment, blaming the "white arrogance" of America's Caucasian majority for the woes of the world, especially the oppression suffered by blacks. To underscore the point he refers to the country as the "United States of White America." Many in the congregation, including Obama, nodded in apparent agreement as these statements were made.

The sermon also addressed the Iraq war, a frequent area of Wright's fulminations.

"Young African-American men," Wright thundered, were "dying for nothing." The "illegal war," he shouted, was "based on Bush's lies" and is being "fought for oil money."

In a sermon filled with profanity, Wright also blamed the war on "Bush administration bulls--t."

Those are the types of statements that have led to MSNBC's Tucker Carlson describing Wright as "a full-blown hater."

Wright first came to national attention in 1984, when he visited Castro's Cuba and Col. Muammar Gaddafi's Libya.

Wright's Libyan visit came three years after a pair of Libyan fighter jets fired on American aircraft over international waters in the Mediterranean Sea, and four years before the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland — which resulted in the deaths of 259 passengers and crew. The U.S. implicated Gaddafi and his intelligence services in the bombing.

In recent years, Wright has focused his diatribe on America's war on terror and the U.S. occupation of Iraq.

For a February 2003 service, Wright placed a "War on Iraq IQ Test" on the Pastor's Page of the church Web site. The test consisted of a series of questions and answers that clearly portrayed America as the aggressor, and the war as unjustified and illegal. Marginally relevant issues regarding Israel received attention.

The test also portrayed the Iraqi people as victims of trade sanctions, but Saddam Hussein's propensity for using "oil for food" proceeds to build palaces rather than buy medicine was never mentioned.

At the end of the test, the pastor wrote, "Members of Trinity are asked to think about these things and be prayerful as we sift through the ‘hype' being poured on by the George Bush-controlled media." Obama's campaign staff did not respond to a NewsMax request for the senator's response to Wright's statements.

In April, however, Obama spoke to The New York Times about Wright, and appeared to be trying to distance himself from his spiritual mentor. He said, "We don't agree on everything. I've never had a thorough conversation with him about all aspects of politics."

More specifically, Obama told the Times, "The violence of 9/11 was inexcusable and without justification," adding "It sounds like [Wright] was trying to be provocative."

Obama attributed Wright's controversial views to Wright being "a child of the '60s" who Obama said "expresses himself in that language of concern with institutional racism, and the struggles the African-American community has gone through."

"It is hard to imagine, though, how Mr. Obama can truly distance himself from Mr. Wright," writes Jodi Kantor of The New York Times. On the day Sen. Obama announced his presidential quest in February of this year, Wright was set to give the invocation at the Springfield, Ill. rally. At the last moment, Obama's campaign yanked the invite to Wright.

Wright's camp was apparently upset by the slight, and Obama's campaign quickly issued a statement "Senator Obama is proud of his pastor and his church."

Since that spat, there is little evidence, indeed, that Sen. Obama has sought to distance himself from the angry Church leader. In June, when Obama appeared before a conference of ministers from his religious denomination, Wright appeared in a videotaped introduction.

One of Obama's campaign themes has been his claim that conservative evangelicals have "hijacked" Christianity, ignoring issues like poverty, AIDS, and racism.

This past June, in an effort to build a new consensus between his new politics and faith, Obama's campaign launched a new Web page, www.faith.barackobama.com.

On the day the page appeared on his campaign site, it offered testimonials from Wright and two other ministers supporting Obama. The inclusion of Wright drew a sharp rebuke from the Catholic League. Noting that Obama had rescinded Wright's invitation to speak at his announcement ceremony, Catholic League President Bill Donohue declared that Obama "knew that his spiritual adviser was so divisive that he would cloud the ceremonies."

He noted that Wright "has a record of giving racially inflammatory sermons and has even said that Zionism has an element of ‘white racism.' He also blamed the attacks of 9/11 on American foreign policy."

Donohue acknowledged that Obama may have different views than Wright and the other ministers on his Web site, but "he is responsible for giving them the opportunity to prominently display their testimonials on his religious outreach Web site."

Political pundits have suggested that Obama's problems with Wright are not ones based on faith, but pure politics. The upstart presidential candidate needs to pull most of the black vote to have any chance of snagging the Democratic nomination. Obama's ties to Wright and the activist African American church helps in that effort.

But the same experts same those same ties may come to haunt him if he were to win the nomination and face a Republican in the general election.

The worry is not lost on Wright.

"If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me," Wright told The New York Times with a shrug. "I said it to Barack personally, and he said 'yeah, that might have to happen.'"

what his pastor has to do with obama...? ; no one should be responsible for someone else's actions or words ; they looking for every bit of information to bring obama down like they did it to ron paul

Originally posted by OralFixation

The reporter actually mentions Obama nodding his head in agreement when Wright was talking about "United States of White America" and blaming "White Arrogance" for the problems of the world.

So the reporter got the video of that right? Can you post it please?

Originally posted by OralFixation

Here's an article that proves that Obama was at a hate filled speech of Wrights. He lied to the American public, he has heard Wrights divisive words and opinions. The reporter actually mentions Obama nodding his head in agreement when Wright was talking about "United States of White America" and blaming "White Arrogance" for the problems of the world.

You've spent a great deal of penmanship placing Obama on the same level as Wright. Frankly, they are two indivuals with obviously different viewponts. Isn't that what our Armies are dying for??

But in all honestly, don't you feel in your gut that Wright is "right" in his factual discription of arrogance perpetrated by powerful white institutions in this country? Sorry, if the truth hurts buddy... It's close to judgment day, you seem to need a reality check!

Even the most rasict people in this country understand Obama is the best answer for the presidency. -- WHY you ask?? Because people can feel his passion for sorting out the BS, a stench that has permiated this country far too long my long winded friend.

You try to link Obama to this guy but we can see through your intentions. The old guard raising it's head in a last ditch efffort.. eeh?? Tell Bush I said high.

Anyone with an education knows it's a fact that whites have been historically and currently arrogant..., CNN knows it's a fact.... the Pope knows it's a fact..., Europeans know it's a fact..., all Indians and blacks have always known it's a fact...., Castro knows it's a fact... Japan knows it is a fact..., now Iraq knows it's a fact .... and even you know it's a fact.

Please.

Have you guys watched this video!?!? This NUT is a black RACIST!!! He's WAY OFF THE MARK. I can't believe Obama would sit and listen to this bull #.

Originally posted by Level X

You've spent a great deal of penmanship placing Obama on the same level as Wright. Frankly, they are two indivuals with obviously different viewponts. Isn't that what our Armies are dying for??

Bush versus Bin Laden? This isn't celebrity death match here. I think it's a bit more complex.

I think our armies are dying so our government can make some cash. Hmm, maybe it's not that complex actually.

Personally I am on the fence still, even after reading all the posts in the thread. I think I am leaning more towards the direction you're taking it overall though. I also am not seeing very compelling evidence being posted to suggest this pastor is totally influencing Obama. People keep saying it, but it's not being delivered to this thread.

Anyone with an education knows it's a fact that whites have been historically and currently arrogant...

'Whites'? That sounds racist to me Maybe in the 'Whitehouse' But you know what, believe it or not, I have met a few whiteys that exuberated humility that would have even made the skinny buddha proud. Like me!! Or maybe that's my arrogance heh...

Anyways, I get your point and I think I agree with you, but you're generalizing like a racist. No offense, but you are.

Originally posted by PopeyeFAFL
Basically, it is like Michael Moore rant, he blame every sin on the stupid white male.

no he blames where blame is due

it's called Blowback, I understand how the truth can be offensive when your race is the source of the problem but sooner or later you will have to admit it.

India would be the richest country on the planet if it wasn't for british people(whiteman).

Settler colonialism, american whites are immigrants yet call everyone else immigrants when many of them immigrated to this country legally when your great grandparents came here genocide as your visa, they killed native americans and stole this land and created a holiday to celebrate genocide every year.

War on Terroism is just way to market racism against the brownman, it's as simple as that.

War on Drugs is just propoganda to put blacks and other minorities in jail.

Historically white people are the most dangerous people on this planet, and every race which came in contact with them throughout history was left proverty striken, diseased, poor, or oppressed.

I apologize for speaking such harsh truth, but whether you admit it or not it remains fact and not opinion.