Originally posted by freighttrain

Originally posted by kennethmd
reply to post by jfj123

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Try Epsilon Eridiani 10.5 Ly. But it is not comfirm. Gliese 876 15.3Ly. Have been comfirm. But haven't found any Earth like planet.

from my understand we have recently discovered hundereds of earth like planets with moons! did I not get this right?

Originally posted by squiz
reply to post by internos

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While I haven't read all those links yet, (thanks by the way) from what I know of the Olivers Castle hoax I believe it was an attempt to discredit Colin Andrews the top researcher in the field. Fortunately Col is pretty switched on and didn't take the bait.

Here's an interesting video from Colin. The ball of light is extremely difficult to see here, but I have seen this in high quality and it is definitely there. You can see a slightly larger version at google vid, not much better though.

Many people are hung up on the simplistic argument of whether the formations are man made or otherwise, Let me emphasize, you're missing the real mystery, It runs much deeper and the answer, as Colin has told me, may lie in the human subconscious.

I have no problem with people making crop circles, except those who are intentionally trying to fool people, the serious crop circle creators are not doing it for this reason. For some of them it's as much of mystery for them as it is the audience. Anomalous energy readings have been recorded from man made circles and people have also been healed from entering into man made formations, whether this is a placebo effect I don't know, all I'm saying is it is not as simple as human vs ET.
From my perspective there's exist a certain extent of denial from both sides of the fence, people trying to fit things into their desired framework whether completely human in origin or those that believe it cannot possibly be made by man.

In 1686 an even earlier British account of geometric areas of flattened plants is found in A Natural History of Staffordshire, written by Professor Robert Plot, LLD, the first "keeper" of Oxford's Ashmolean Museum and a professor of chemistry at Oxford. Professor Plot describes not just circles, but flattened areas "obtaining three parts of a circle, others being Semicircular, some of them Quadrants." These various designs were found both in "arable grounds" and in "open pastures ... And not only in a single, but sometimes in double and treble Circle[s], one within the other."

In July, 1880 the prestigious science journal Nature (Vol. 22, pp. 290-291) published a letter from British spectroscopist J. Rand Capron in which he described his discovery and subsequent examination of multiple circular areas of flattened wheat on a farm in southern England. He describes areas of crop "forming ... circular spots [with] a few standing stalks as a centre, some prostrate stalks with their heads arranged pretty evently in a direction forming a circle round the centre, and outside these a circular wall of stalks which [have] not suffered." Capron suggested that these flattened circles were the result of "some cyclonic wind action" and enclosed a sketch of the "most perfect" of these circles which, unfortunately, Nature did not publish.

...a book entitled "The Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered" by Robert Eisenman & Michael Wise (Penguin 1993 ISBN 0 14 02.3250 8). This I= s a dry, academic work, detailing the manuscripts found at Qumran, in the Middle East, during the 1940s and 1950s. While a few were immediately published for all to see, many more were kept secret for over 35 years by researchers jealously guarding their exclusive hold over these documents. But these two open-minded and determined researchers published over 50 documents, including photographs, translations and interpretations of the manuscripts....

One of the documented fragments is known as "The Birth of Noah" (4Q534-536). The Qumran community regarded Noah very highly. According to Eisenman and Wise, Noah is represented as a "Wisdom figure, or one who understands the Secret Mysteries"; "Noah is ... one who is involved in Heavenly 'ascents' or 'journeying' or at least one who 'knows' the Mysteries of 'the Highest Angels'."

Further on, in the actual translation of the fragments of the parchment, is the following (dots indicate missing portions; square brackets indicate places where Eisenman and Wise have interpreted and filled in small gaps) "... will be ... [H]oly Ones will remem[ber ...] ... lig[hts] will be revealed to him ... they [will] teach him everything that ... human [Wi]sdom, and every wise ma[n] ... in the lands (?), and he shall be great.."

And, later: "... of the hand, two ... it lef[t] a mark from ... barley [and] lentils = on ... and tiny marks on his thigh ... [After tw]o years he will be able to discern one thing from another ... In his youth he will be ... all of the= m ... [like a ma]n who does not know anyth[ing, until] the time when he sha= ll have come to know the Three Books. [Th]en he will become wise and will be disc[rete ...] a vision will come to him while upon [his] knees (in prayer). And with his father and his forefa[th]ers ... life and old age; = he will acquire counsel and prudence, [and] he will know the Secrets of mankind. His Understanding will spread to all peoples, and he will know t= he Secrets of all living things." (p.p. 33-37.)

Considerable evidence shows that crop circles have been known throughout Earth's history. The Dead Sea Scrolls' Book of Noah and several works of medieval literature mention them. Many ancient stone carvings, including one at Stonehenge, seem remarkably similar to the shapes in the fields.

Crop circles appear all over the world. About 10,000 instances from various countries have been reported in the last 20 years, but the most aesthetically advanced ones are in the Wessex area of southern England.