Was This A Message From Extraterrestrials??

Um... DancedWithWolves,
A correction about Dr. William Levengood, William Levengood is not a "Dr." anything. He never completed any academic program that awarded him a PhD and he's already admitted that after some investigators found that out. -- Sorry.

[edit on 10-3-2008 by Palasheea]

I have not read this entire thread. From what I have read, I think the pictogram in the field gives an image that is to much on the complex side do be done by the common crop circle prankster.
Should that be proven wrong, so be it.

miksingh I am not sure what will eventually be known as the truth in this, but I for one think it was an actual sign from our galactic neighbors. Interesting to the max as always.

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Thank you for sharing that. I'm not sure if there is another source of this information on silicon as it relates to this code or whether his input is the hinge in the theory. It has been a mind sticker so I appreciate you shedding more light on this. That's one of the things that makes ATS so great....instant re-direction when information doesn't prove out as presented. I will continue to dig in other directions then. Thanks again!

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Is that a map of places where crop circles were found...or a map of places where UFO sightings occured?

When I saved the picture it was titled "UFO sightings" and didn't say anything about crop circles. Or, was that maybe labeled for the site? It has all those cute little saucers as markers.

I'm confused...again!

I'm not too sure about how legit crop cicles are in general, but I seem to remember the MIT students did NOT replicate the magnetic fields, nodules and/or the crop circles as directed.
Very smart young people though they are, it seems they overworked their task and, alas could not perform.
The long and short being, they didn't reprduce the crop circles accurately, as was their charge.
Where does that leave us...I dunno. On forums like this maybe, to noodle it out with others who care to find the truth.

I went full circle on Crop circles (please excuse the pun ) . After watching an amazing documentary on them I was a believer. I did some more research and actually looked at the BLT research, and I lost a lot of faith based on the scientific methods they used. There are a number of sites that look at the analysis used and there are a number of gaping holes whether they are right or not.

www.bltresearch.com...

I then found the circlemakers.org and did a lot of reading on those who made circles, and after watching videos of teams making complex crop circles in several hours I realised that pretty much all of them, ceteris parabus, can be faked.

However, after doing some more research into locations there has been a wide spread of incidents, includnig many in India. Also I stumbled on the following article:

www.project1947.com...

I found this retelling of crop circle incidents from Queensland, Australia very interesting and the fact it occured on reeds in a lagoon make the whole plank and rope scenario highly unlikely if not impossible. This following passage made me rethink many of the cropcircles (not the complex ones) and how they are formed and why.



I guess from all my research, the Areibo Reply strikes me as a hoax. Personally I would take great delight (if I was a hoaxer) in something as cunning and clever never being debunked. It all just seems way too convenient appearing in a field next to teh telescope. What's more I can't reconcile the time lag. If ETs are in our solar system then they would have had this message in hours. The time lag seems pointless when the phenomonen has been happening for decades prior to this incident.

Would be nice to think otherwise, but I am sure some crop circles cannot be explained by pranksters / hoaxers.

I'm thinking the bell sound may be something that we can relate to but have not thought of - school bells.. break up school and end the day/end class etc... so may be aliens overestimated their importance in society. We also have bells in churches to tell the time... some sort of 'end of our message signified by a bell tolling...'

Food for thought..

Okay, real quick 'cause I'm sure no one cares.

The star in the reply is smaller. It's only four bits as opposed to nine.

The sixth planet is smaller.

The eighth planet is smaller, and perhaps it isn't a gas giant at all.


I'm voting on a different solar system altogether. Maybe there are other wee details in there that could tell us the distance of their star from ours.

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As usual my friend a step ahead of the rest in your research ---
you get a star and a flag and from my part the medal for research honor--

This awakens a sleeper that many have forgotten and many more are new to*** when I say this I mean the radio message part of your thread not the crop circles, which in some extraneus way has a relation with the radio message. The response to this post is most extraordinary as is the research on which it is based, we will see in the near future the results of this extrterestrial extrapolation.

The very first thing I must state.


This is personal assumption.


Why doesn't the human have a head? Because the human face means absolutely nothing but irrational displays of individuality and that is the exact thing 2012 will disprove, is irrationality.


Anyways, this post may or not remain.

I will enstate that this is a personal assumption.

I will enstate that I will not be coming back.

I'm not quite sure that this is all real or not, but the year after year return are interesting but ultimately sort of just point back to it being something that is man made. I will say that to all the people saying "Why didn't the aliens just broadcast their reply back to us?" that it's probably more complicated than that. Let's say the crop formations are real, maybe the aliens can't broadcast back to us because the aliens making said crop circles might be part of a rogue group under the whole alien establishment. Think about it, if we have a complete blackout here of government talking about aliens, they probably have a rule not to interfere with us too. I can totally imagine a group in secret coming down and trying to communicate with us, and crop circles are a perfect way of doing it because I assume it would be hard to trace it back to whomever made it. I know, a little out there, but the message in the one formation with the disc totally gave me this impression that it wasn't an alien race as a whole that was trying to communicate with us but rather a small minority who want to see some kind of peace, I guess, in the galaxy.

to me , the main thing that stands out as it possibly being real is the change in the DNA-

Red Setter, a world expert on DNA research, has made a very interesting observation that he made only after intensive personal research stimulated by the odd DNA images in the Chilbolton Code formation. He notes that:
"The central part of the Chilbolton pictogram shows that a DNA double helix as found on Earth, with 10 base pairs per turn, has been replaced on one side by a novel single-stranded helix with just 6 bases per turn.

I had to work hard for several days, to discover that the single-stranded helix with 6 bases per turn refers to 2', 5'-linked RNA or DNA, as opposed to the normal 3', 5' variety. This is known to hardly any molecular biologist, and I found out only by making an accurate model”.

if a world expert took days to make an accurate model, i doubt some kids or even an organized circle making group would have been able to come up with it. so that leaves ONLY (in my opinion) the SETI people doing it themselves, or it being a genuine reply.

Exactly what I thought! But then, aliens aren't perfect too!! Or probably they did this after an all night binge at the space bar?

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slightly? I would say more than 75% was changed which is a lot more than just slightly.

pretty much everything in the message was changed...except the numbers 1-10.

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That's just the shadow government making 'prank calls'.

YOU'VE BEEN HAD!


Don't you think if they wanted to respond (and in this case allegedly have responded) they would have just landed on the lawn of the white house instead of playing hide and seek and making graffiti out of plant life?

These are all disinfo trying to make fool and steer ufologists away from the real truth.



[edit on 11-3-2008 by Macrotus]

I love the way you presented the information and layed-out your theories Mike. Wouldn't we all love to believe!

Though it's probably been said in this thread already (sorry for skimming); I don't think the hoaxers are helpful to the crop circle cause. Some are real and some aren't. What did Fox Mulder say.. The best place to hide a truth is between two lies.

Now having said that, I think the crop pictograph you've presented is unfortunately fake. If the said distance to that part of the galaxy is that far, the signal would only be a small fraction of the way to it's destination so I don't see the intended star system posing a reply to us so soon... unless they have a technology that can intercept signals ahead of their time.

The other option would be it was intercepted by someone we didn't intend.

The alien part of the picture is a bit cliche, hilarious actually. A numeral system was obviously put in the "too-hard" box and it's a bit coincidental that they have 9 planets to match ours.

I think this was just a stupid joke (on a few levels) by humans to bolster egos amongst peers (primarily) and muddy the waters (as a bi product).

A star and flag for supplying such an interesting post though.

[edit on 11/3/08 by InfaRedMan]

I see that this information has already been posted by another poster to the forum, this is the same from an alternate source;

New Advert To Be Broadcast Into Space
by Staff Writers
Leicester, UK (SPX) Mar 10, 2008
A campaign to broadcast an advert into space has been launched - with University of Leicester space scientists playing a key part in the process. The British public is being asked to shoot a 30-second ad about what they perceive life on earth to be as part of Doritos 'You Make It, We Play It' user-generated-content campaign.
The winning advert in the competition will be beamed past the earth's atmosphere, beyond our solar system and into the Universe, to anyone 'out there' that may be watching. The winning ad will also be broadcast on terrestrial TV.

On 12th June, the space-bound ad will be broadcast from a 500MHz Ultra High Frequency Radar from the EISCAT Space Centre in Svalbard, which lies in the Arctic Ocean about midway between northern Norway and the North Pole.

The transmission is being directed at a solar system just 42 light years away from Earth with planets that orbit its star '47 Ursae Majoris' (UMa). 47 UMa is located in the Great Bear Constellation (also known as "The Plough") - easily identifiable to even the most amateur stargazer. It is very similar to our Sun and is believed to host a habitable zone that could potentially harbour small terrestrial planets and support life as we know it.

The advert will travel at the speed of light and continue for an indefinite period. Within 1.2 seconds the transmission will pass our moon, after 4.5 minutes it will pass Mars (77million kilometres away), in under 9 minutes the signal will whiz past the Sun and five and a half hours later it will travel past Pluto and out of our solar system.

The effective power of the transmitted signal to the Universe will be around two thousand million watts (a normal light bulb is 100 watts), ensuring the advert could be received and watched hundreds of light years from Earth.

The advert will be coded in '1's and '0's (as used for most computer communications) represented by phase changes of the transmitted signal. The message will be broken into sections and each of the pulses will be numbered so that any intelligent life on recipient planets can mathematically reassemble them. This allows scientists to send a signal that is both powerful and easy to recover, even when weakened by the great distance to its planned destination.

The competition is being run by Doritos, as part of its new 'You Make It, We Play It' initiative (www.doritos.co.uk). The project is being undertaken in association with experts and academics from the University of Leicester and is also being supported by EISCAT (The European Incoherent SCATter Scientific Association), which studies solar-planetary interactions and operate a series of radar systems, including the Svalbard transmitter.

Professor Tony van Eyken, Director of EISCAT, said: "Broadcasting an advert extra-terrestrially is a big and exciting step for everyone on Earth as up until now we only tend to listen for incoming transmissions. There have been reports that NASA beamed a Beatles song towards the Polaris star system, though as this is a 1,000 light year round trip, it's highly unlikely it will ever be received by extra-terrestrials. With the transmission technology and planning we are employing there is a much greater chance that the Doritos advert will potentially be seen by any alien life form.

"The UK is launching back into the space race with plans for billions of pounds to be invested in space exploration. A member of the British public communicating with the Universe is a natural extension of the democratization of space in the 21st Century."

Dr Darren Wright of the University of Leicester Department of Physics and Astronomy said: "The Radio and Space Plasma Physics Group and Department of Physics and Astronomy as a whole at the University of Leicester has a very high international profile in the area of Space Physics.

"An important part of this project is that it provides an additional component to the Physics and Astronomy Department's ever increasing outreach programme. The ad to be transmitted will be created by the public following a national competition thus increasing public awareness of space activities.

"The launch of this project as we embark on National Science and Engineering Week- with a range of activities taking place at the University of Leicester- is timely, and adds impetus to our efforts to interest people in science.

"The University is particularly committed to outreach programmes along with the National Space Centre - the brainchild of the University of Leicester - and engaged in a number of programmes with the wider public."




www.space-travel.com...



[edit on 11/3/2008 by Mukiwa]

Very interesting thread! Starred and flagged!

I didn't know about this particular field image/crop circle at all so just on that score the OP has added to my own (admittedly rather poor) knowledge of this subject --and when it comes to "denying ignorance" I need all the help I can get! And some of the other members' posts have also given us a lot of food for thought... Bravo!

I prefer to keep an open mind on this topic. Granted, some crop circles/field images** are known to have been made by human hands (and feet and wooden boards etc), but there are others which have characteristics that would have been either difficult or impossible for people to create, no matter how artistically inclined they were, and no matter the amount of planning that went into the "projects".

**Just a quirk of mine but besides "crop circles" (which is a cool description for sure) I like to use the term "field image" as it fits better with the possible origins of some examples -- namely the effects of energy fields on...ummm...fields.

Thanks IRM. Interesting points...



Ok. Shall we say that the message was intercepted a couple of LYs away and they took their time responding? Or the beacon hit a non intended target approx 13 LYs away? It obviously didn't go the distance to the intended spot which was a globular star cluster M13, which is roughly 21,000 light-years from us, near the edge of the Milky Way galaxy.



Do we have nine planets? For starters, what is our concept of a planet? According to the International Astronomical Union (IAU), the definition for a planet is now officially said to be,

"A celestial body that:

(a) Is in orbit around the Sun.

(b) Has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape and

(c) Has cleared the neighborhood around its orbit."

So what do we have here?


There are now 8 planets: Mercury - Venus – Earth – Mars – Jupiter – Saturn – Uranus – Neptune
and three minor planets: Pluto – Ceres – Eris.
Wikipedia.

Pluto, as you are aware, is no longer a planet but the largest known Kuiper belt object.

And what was in the so called ‘reply’ could have been their concept of planets.

Cheers!