This proves that the first know civilization, the Sumerians, had knowledge that was just as advanced as our current knowledge, if not more.

While the claim sounds all fancy and amazing, one really need to define "our current knowledge" of what? Astronomy is a tiny, microscopic, piece of current modern knowledge and the fact of planets in our solar system is yet a tiny, microscopic piece of our knowledge in astromony. So I call the claim in the quote complete bullplop. It being amazing knowledge that boggles the mind if they had it is another matter.

Yeah I'm a pessimist


[edit on 30-7-2008 by merka]

The Celestial Body is not the sun at all. It is Saturn. Notice the six pointed star surounding it. Our sun wasn't visible at that time. This is a Saturnian model. Saturn being our original "Sun".

Originally posted by Trauma

I think this is a scene with an eclipse in progress... a star with a round body (moon) in front... seems obvious - perhaps it's just me!?

Seems a good way to date whatever is depicted happening in the scene also, if the smaller dots around the eclipse are actual stars in their relative positions to the event, and not just stars randomly put there for the sake of making clear the event occurred in the sky - that wouldn't be in character with the way Sumarians did things I don't think?

[edit on 3-10-2008 by C.H.U.D.]

Yes the ancients were very advanced but there are some things that they are not as advanced as us in... like technology. They were more advanced in the natural arts like astronomy and math etc

Man’s position among creation

The most revolutionary discoveries in history have been those which altered the way humans perceived themselves in the universe.We discovered that the earth was not at the centre of the universe.We discovered that our Sun was a very ordinary star located in an insignificant part of an ordinary galaxy,which was only one of millions of galaxies.These discoveries should have humbled us.Yet,even today,many of us triumphantly proclaim ourselves as being the most supreme creation of God.It is common to ascribe our cherished position among all living things to our higher intellectual abilities.If we were to find out that there are other intelligent beings in the universe,and that some may be intellectually more superior to us,where would that leave us ?Would we finally be dethroned?

Sura 17:70 informs us,”Verily We have honoured the children of Adam…and preferred them above many of those whom We created with a marked preferment.” (56) Many translations fail to mention the “marked preferment” in the verse,although the verse contains the Arabic “tafzelan” which conveys this.Note that the verse mentions that there are other creatures besides humans,who have also been given a position of distinction,and humans have been preferred above many,not all,of these creatures.Usmani states in a comment on this verse,”Under this verse a debate is opened:Who is superior- Man or Angel?But logically this verse does not decide the issue.” (57) Another scholar has written,”From this (verse) it is evident that whatever superiority humans have got over other creatures is not whole.Allah’s creatures contain such creatures upon which humans have got no superiority.”It must be remembered here that while so far we have been discussing material alien lifeforms,the debate of man’s position in creation includes both material and spiritual creatures of God.Some early authorities,such as Hasan,have not accepted the word “akser” mentioned in 17:70 as meaning “many”.Hasan maintains that the word “akser”,as used in 17:70, should be understood as meaning “all”,since the same word is used in 26:233 and 10:36,where it would be inappropriate to take its meaning as “many” but rather as “all”.With such a substitution in verse 17:70,the meaning would be altered to mean that man is preferred by God over all creatures.

The debate on man’s status continues among scholars and also among the public.Let us make an analogy to the debate of whether man is superior to woman.Suppose for a moment that we hand the trophy to man and let him enjoy his “superior” position.On the Day of Judgement,it will only be deeds that count and good women will go to Paradise and bad men will burn in Hell.Who would have been more superior?As you can see,in the final analysis,any debate on the status of a race,or species is useless.From earlier verses mentioned in this article,the reader will remember that,according to the Quran, God will judge humans as well as aliens on the basis of their deeds and reward them accordingly.Many humans will be sent to Hell for their wrongdoings. At the same time there will be aliens who will be rewarded for their good deeds.Who would be more superior- the unbelieving human or the faithful alien?The answer is obvious.Therefore,what’s the use of debating this point?Status of a creature is relative to its moral conduct.Sura 95:4-5 states, “Surely We created man of the best stature,then We reduced him to the lowest of the low.” (58)

Islam and the geocentric universe
1400 years ago in the deserts of Arabia,a Prophet received revelations,mentioning the existence of extraterrestrial life through countless heavenly bodies in the universe,and prophesying that one day, humans will indeed discover aliens and Today we HAVE, hear to people like JOHN LEAR and his friends and the ANTARCTICAN CARGO STORIES coupled to the ANTIGRAV, you dont have to be a MUSLIM to get to the bottom of ALLAH’s secrets, THINK ABOUT it ,

Originally posted by C.H.U.D.

Seems a good way to date whatever is depicted happening in the scene also, if the smaller dots around the eclipse are actual stars in their relative positions to the event, and not just stars randomly put there for the sake of making clear the event occurred in the sky - that wouldn't be in character with the way Sumarians did things I don't think?

CHUD,

You almost nailed it!

Excellent work!

In fact, it depicts the Pleiades star cluster and it was used to indicate the timing of the event shown.

For all you woo-woos out there, that emblem you believe to be representative of our solar system is no such thing.
The Sumerians had a distinctive sign for our Sun, and it is not what you see in the center of the emblem.

The Sumerians had absolutely no knowledge of any planets that are not visible to the naked eye. We know this for a fact because the Sumerians themselves tell us so.

They left a great many records of their astrology, none mention anything in the sky that cannot be seen with the naked eye.

The pic in question here is the imprint of a cylinder seal. Seals were not used to record history or relate knowledge per se, but to indicate ownership, to ensure credit, to commemorate events, etc.

Harte