Do people who aren’t Christian deserve be tortured in hell?, page 2

reply to post by andre18

You're a moron.

In other words you're an unbeliever (moron) yet you bother yourself so much with Christian doctrine, the Bible, Jesus and God, why is that?

I can't stand flies so do I go around rubbing myself in crap and sit out hoping to attract flies?

Your ignorance towards all things Scriptural leads you into looking like a fool when you try and tell Christians what their beliefs do and don't say while never having study any of it.

First, Believers do not WISH anyone to be separated from God and to think this is the case is to be totally blind to the fact that most of the worlds relief in terms of food, clothing, disaster and charity work comes from Christian organizations.

It's Christians that go to remote parts of third world countries and hope to bring aid. Have a lot of so called christians brought with them pain and suffering in the form of forcing their beliefs on others? You bet, ever heard of the "inquisition"?

For those that imply hell is a place of "torture" (how this relates to a Hollywood movie I have no idea?) where limbs are being sawed off or where people are enslaved by Satan as he whips them to do his work have no clue as to what Scripture says on the topic and have instead sought to parrot junk they hear from others.

Jesus said that hell will be a place of "weeping and gnashing of teeth". This does not refer or imply "torture" in the sense of physical torture like in the movie "Hostel" but rather it implies guilt and sorrow. It's like knowing you screwed up and made a horrible mistake (compounded by a million or so) and now there's nothing you can do about it.

Hell is neither dark nor a place of "flames" in the physical sense. How can hell be dark when Jesus implies there are flames there? How can hell be a place of flames, which give light, when Jesus also says that they will be cast into the outer darkness? So obviously these are descriptive physical terms or phrases to describe a spiritual place.

Satan is NOT the ruler of hell for he shall be cast into it as well as others and imprisoned there also. Satan has no physical body hence there can be no physical "torture" applied to him. Some theologians argue that "people" who are not of the "sheep" shall be resurrected with physical bodies so their punishment is both physical and spiritual. This though is an in house debate and holds no real value as they all agree that some form of punishment is being spoken of, whether physical, spiritual or both.

What is gathered from Scripture is that those who are not Gods shall be punished in terms of being "separated" from God and His Grace and Glory. At Judgment they shall witness His Glory and knowing they cannot be with Him, their Creator, will cause them great sorrow and they shall "weep and gnash" their teeth in grief. To use an illustration, and a poor one at that, let's use a game show where you have 2 items covered by large sheets and they take on the shape of what they hide. One is shaped like a car while the other covers a small box. You pick the car shape only to find out it's a bunch of boxes made out to the shape of a car containing fruit cake. The other sheet covered a box containing a Rolex watch. For days after you'll most likely beat yourself up over choosing the wrong prize and wish you could go back and do it again knowing what you now know.

To the Believer God is their Savior yet to the non-believer God is their Judge. Believers bow their knee to God NOW while non-believers will bow their knee at Judgment but it's also too late.

We have no record of this separation from God having a time limit but rather it speaks of an eternity being separated from God and His Glory

[edit on 21-1-2008 by SilverSmith]