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Special Forces Convo : Originally Called 'For all those people who think the American Special Force

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posted on Feb, 26 2004 @ 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by COOL HAND
Think I'll pass. Sounds to me like you lead a dull life. Things might pick up for you if you moved out of your parents house (or do you call them flats)?


...hahahahaha...

Sorry CoolHand...I'm laughing because I know ROGUE personally...he is a 'brother' to me...separated before birth


People claim to be a lot of things on the internet...its the place of many a facade...but I can assure you that YES, this man knows what he speaks of...YES he knows a hell of a lot about 'Soldiering'...and fecking aye if shyte got hot I'd want the man standing beside me with a rifle in his hand...you will also find he has a great sense of humour - just don't trust him anywhere near a racetrack if he is in possession of a Rental Car
Sorry again, inside joke, involves a Rental Car, a racetrack, and some rather dodgy bodyroll through the corners...

As a side issue...

...I find it quite funny whenever the SAS are mentioned that the humble NZSAS seemed to be quite overlooked...yet NZSAS have gotten down and dirty many many times, its just not with the hoo-hah many other Forces seem to like, or get...

Can remember watching live footage of the first days of the Afghanistan Conflict, base camps being set up in the background etc...the previous News Story had just featured our Prime Minister saying how they were yet to make any decisions about whether or not NZSAS would be committed to the conflict...then during this story from these new basecamps you could plainly hear music playing on some stereo in the background...the song that was just finishing was 'Sway' by Bic Runga...just starting was 'Waka' by Che Fu...two NZ music artists...hahaha...yeah Prime Minister, like I really believe you that our guys weren't already over there already That and a relation who had gone into 'Active Readiness' weeks beforehand...

The NZSAS are very reknown for tracking and covert observation...as well as infiltration. What is not widely known is one of the reasons NZSAS went into Afghanistan was with the brief to actually infiltrate the Talibans networks...made somewhat easier by the skintone/appearance of the Maori within the NZSAS. You have to be DAMN sneaky...and have great big kahoonas to just waltz around with the very people you are monitoring and eliminating. But then, they were Maori...and meh, being one, I can say we Maori are perhaps the sneakiest shadiest mofos on the planet




Peace,
ALIEN




posted on Feb, 27 2004 @ 06:40 AM
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Ha ha ha "RENTAL CARS"....?? ( I have no idea what you are talking about)


And very true on the NZSAS they have had very little acknowlegement in general but in Military circles the NZSAS is well respected,The British are regarded as being the best at CRW and similar "Black work" but the Kiwis are well respected by their Hereford brothers as the masters of the "Green work" the NZ Army tracking course is one of the best in the world.

And the NZSAS training is also very tough there is a lot of training done on Ruapehu and in the Southern Alps,and the "Can Carry" is im-famous across some of Waiouru's desert land......all that water and not a drop to drink.....


The SAS also does a lot of parachute training both static and free line HAHO.HALO,etc.
The base that the NZSAS now reside in is deep within Hobsonville out of Auckland.
Hobsonville bieing an Airbase is obviously a benefit.
The NZSAS used to be based in Papakura Base until 1991 when it shifted up Auckland way (Jaffas)....

The 1st Ranger Squadron NZSAS training costs are close to $40 Million a year.
The NZSAS consists of 2 Squadrons of three troops each.(Head Shed,Mountain troop,Air,Boat)

During my recent trip back home to NZ I saw that there is in fact a TV show a kind of a drama called "ULTIMATE FORCE" about the British SAS and in a relatively minor role who should I spy none other than the man who goes under the alias of "CHRIS RYAN" doing a bit of a cameo....


[Edited on 27-2-2004 by ROGUE]



posted on Feb, 27 2004 @ 07:50 AM
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The American military are a joke, they cant even avoid bombing their own troops. The only reason the've even won any conflict is because they have more money and technology.

On a level playing field the USA would be everyones bitch.



posted on Feb, 27 2004 @ 10:13 AM
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Papa,

Fratricide is a fact of war. I have covered this in other threads and frankly I'm getting tired of addressing it. The US are not the only ones to whom this happens. There was blue on blue for the british as well during the war in Iraq. Fratricide has nothing to do with a military's skill or effectiveness. It is simply a fact of war. Actually fratricide is much rarer than it used to be in previous wars.



posted on Feb, 27 2004 @ 10:33 AM
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1 thing id like 2 ask is y the us military has like 6 or 7 SF forces when most countries have like 2 ?
also u guys are 2 lack iw ur discapline
also if ur SF forces are so elite then y do we have 2 save ur damm agents all the time ?



posted on Feb, 27 2004 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
1 thing id like 2 ask is y the us military has like 6 or 7 SF forces when most countries have like 2 ?
also u guys are 2 lack iw ur discapline
also if ur SF forces are so elite then y do we have 2 save ur damm agents all the time ?


Is english a second language for you? I know I have typos but damn brother .....if you are trying to type in english type in english drop the 1337



posted on Mar, 2 2004 @ 04:57 AM
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Just for everyone's knowledge, I can confirm that Cool Hand is a Lieutenant in the US Navy.



posted on Mar, 2 2004 @ 07:27 AM
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Originally posted by browha
Just for everyone's knowledge, I can confirm that Cool Hand is a Lieutenant in the US Navy.


You forgot to mention, "he is an expert in military matters, smart, witty, all around good guy, and humble."



posted on Mar, 2 2004 @ 08:35 AM
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Let's see the proof

only joking



posted on Mar, 2 2004 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by COOL HAND

Originally posted by browha
Just for everyone's knowledge, I can confirm that Cool Hand is a Lieutenant in the US Navy.


You forgot to mention, "he is an expert in military matters, smart, witty, all around good guy, and humble."




If you can say.



posted on Mar, 2 2004 @ 10:05 AM
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If you can say.

In the US

[Edited on 2-3-2004 by COOL HAND]



posted on Mar, 2 2004 @ 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by COOL HAND
If you can say.

In the US

[Edited on 2-3-2004 by COOL HAND]


Right coast or left....
I'm asking cause I'm familiar with SoCal and am wondering if you are in my old haunts.



posted on Mar, 5 2004 @ 08:17 AM
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Has anyone got the whole story of the disastorious failed Delta Force mission to save the American Embassy in (Iran I think)?
I've read briefly about it and I've heard stories (probably exaggerated) but I would like to know specifics...
It's like one of the DF's first missions, and a helicopter crashed, etc...
thanks



posted on Mar, 5 2004 @ 08:32 AM
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Originally posted by browha
Has anyone got the whole story of the disastorious failed Delta Force mission to save the American Embassy in (Iran I think)?
I've read briefly about it and I've heard stories (probably exaggerated) but I would like to know specifics...
It's like one of the DF's first missions, and a helicopter crashed, etc...
thanks


Buy Eric L Haneys Inside Delta Force, its got the whole story. Its too longto write down here heh

But i think one of the choppers hit another one and etc.



posted on Mar, 5 2004 @ 08:41 AM
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There are different units of forces used for different missions/theaters.

We had 5th Group (Special Forces) based at Ft. Campbell. We used them forward extensively during the Gulf War. I believe they were sent first to Afghanistan in 2001. If that was the case, they most likely wouldn't have had a hand in Iraq. (just an example.)



posted on Mar, 5 2004 @ 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by browha
Has anyone got the whole story of the disastorious failed Delta Force mission to save the American Embassy in (Iran I think)?
I've read briefly about it and I've heard stories (probably exaggerated) but I would like to know specifics...
It's like one of the DF's first missions, and a helicopter crashed, etc...
thanks


There were a lot of things wrong with that one, I suggest that you read Col Beckwith's book. That and Haney's book should answer all of your questions.

Course you could always use the net and look up Desert-1.



posted on Mar, 5 2004 @ 08:43 AM
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Da@#, this is a long thread - didn't realize. I probly didn't add anything useful.



posted on Mar, 5 2004 @ 08:46 AM
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My First Sgt. at Ft. Campbell was former Delta Force. He was the most laid back, bad-a$$ MOFO I knew. After Vietnam he spent the bulk of his service stationed out of Key West. On his last tour he pissed the wrong person off and he got stationed at Ft. Campbell, of all places - in charge of our unit. That was the last thing he wanted to do. Then came the war. Talk about irony. He wound up at the end right where he started all those years ago. He was awesome, tho.



posted on Mar, 5 2004 @ 09:26 AM
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Just out of interest,
what is so bad about Fort Campbell?



posted on Mar, 5 2004 @ 02:58 PM
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5 days ago there was 4th anniversary of one of the most ferocious battle which took place in Chechnya (February 2000),when 90 Russians paratroopers (86 died) fought for 19 hours with 2000 (two thousand) Chechens rebels .They were an ordinary soldiers (yesterday s schoolboys ).Now guys ,think about Russian Spetsnaz ,I hope you understand who is the best now.



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