Medic - They obviously were not trained/skilled for combat in Iraq, how can you fight a war sensibily without using a single one of your elite
Insite - Special Boat Service, Working to find an online thing that details their selection requirements, if I cant I'll write it up by hand
JustAnIllusion - It has something to do with the armed forces numbering several million +, the variety of culture, the sheer financial resources.
Having elite forces doesnt make you powerful. New Zealand have a very strong SAS and they arent powerful.
NetStorm - Not saying SEALS arent good, but they arent AS good. I recommend you read the book I mentioned, it is extremely interesting.
QuestForSafety - Please read 'only then because he happened to have been attached to the SBS'
He shouldnt even have been there... Surely this says something about your own commander's beliefs in the abilities of your special forces
''The minimum standard to aim for is running 5 miles in 40 minutes ; the tests will most certainly include circuit training, sprints, that sort of
thing so expect to get a good beasting (ha ha !). There will also be an interview for most candidates on why they want to join. If successful, you
will notified, and then be kitted out by the RQM and given a date for the Induction weekend.
On this weekend you will be expected to run 8 miles in 60 minutes and a medical inspection will be also be carried out. Before you start the actual
selection weekends you will have some drill nights at your local Squadron to work at fitness and map reading. Forget the fancy weapons and specialist
training, they may come later.... one word of advice, you need to be DEDICATED - there is a hell of a lot of learning to do, but the winged dagger and
service with arguably the top reserve unit on the planet could be yours : so think on that.
On recruit weekend one, you will then need to do a CFT (Combat fitness test ; 8 Miles) in full battle order, e.g. 40lbs Bergen and boots, in around
1hr 30-40 mins. The standard time for the army CFT is 2hs so you can see that good fitness is vital. Generally speaking you will be covering
approximately 25k/m across the hills at speeds of 3-5km/h in the initial weekends. ''
'If you get to Test week (weekend 11 of the programme) then this could include the Fan Dance, speeds could be between 3 - 6km/hr. Thats bloody hard
work !! There is no set pace for moving across the mountains because it varies according to the day, the activity, the weather, and sometimes the mood
of the DS
as you can imagine its important to build up your stamina and that can only be done by beasting yourself on some hills before you get to
the 1st weekend. A 1k/m swimming test comes at the end of selection so don't neglect your pool sessions.'
Read this website
and the links aout it directly erlated to the SAS
Another good link
More on selection --
Boating Week. Candidates must
pass a combat fitness test
pass the SBS swimming test, which demands 600m in 15 minutes , 50m clothed with weapon and belt kit, and 25m underwater.
Complete all canoe trials, including a 5km march with Bergen and canoe and 30km canoe paddle.
Diving Week. Complete a number of dives, generally show confidence and willingness to dive.
Those successful will go on to the joint SAS/SBS selection course
Brecon Beacons phase (3 weeks)- land navigation marches with Bergen and weapon, culminating in " long drag". The majority who drop out will do so in
Pre-jungle training(2 weeks)- working in four-man patrols.
Jungle Training, Brunei (6 weeks).
Officer week/signals training (1 week).
Support Weapons Training (1 week).
Army Combat Survival Instructor Course (2 weeks)- survival, evasion, resistance, escape; well-known for its harsh Resistance To Interrogation
training; the last phase where many will be " binned".
Continuation training takes place mainly at Hereford
Demolitions (2 weeks)
Observation Post Training (1 week)
CQB Course (2 weeks)
Individual Skills Courses (8 weeks)- during this time men will undergo training as Special Forces medics or signallers, or further demolitions
training. Officers attend language training and a Special Forces commander's course.
Static Line Parachute Course (3 weeks)- for those who are not qualified paratroopers.
SBS students go on to their own 8-week boating and diving course, including underwater navigation and demolition, negotiating surf zones and
navigating a 55km course in the Klepper canoe, and infiltration via submarine. Following this Marines are rated as Swimmer Canoeist Class 3, and
entitled to wear the badge of this specialist qualification on the left cuff of their blue and green dress uniforms, " SC" over a wreath.
This and the parachute wings worn on the upper right sleeve are their only distinctions; they wear the same green beret and capbadge as all Royal
Marines, or white cap in blues. RM officers do not wear qualification badges, so they have just the parachute wings. For Marines to be promoted to
Corporal they must qualify as SC2 and to Sergeant SC3. These advanced training courses emphasize operational planning and training supervision.
Promotion to Sergeant also requires passing the Senior Command Course at the CTC, Lympstone.
Newly-qualified swimmer-canoeists will then join an operational troop, but of course training never ceases. They may go through further training in
combat medicine, communications, counter-terrorist operations, foreign languages, SDV " driving" and many other skills. Exercises are conducted with
friendly nations' units, the closest relations being with the SEALs and Dutch SBS.
Anyone still up for a good argument post a reply after you read those sites