Originally posted by kangjia57
Real proof will never come out as the US will try their best to smoke screen the situation with some BS story.

The whole thing will be reversed and Caesar will be labelled as an (terrorist) Al Qaeda member.

Well, so far, after chatting with some friends in Iraq and reading what I can, I still haven't seen anything that said they were kicking a pregnant woman.


Chances are, Caesar was a terrorist and decided to shoot some US troops while he had the chance, then drummed up this story to inflame everyone against the US forces.

Originally posted by kangjia57
Caesar will be labelled as an (terrorist) Al Qaeda member.

Umm....thats because he is one!

Look, there is no evidence at all that this story is true. Did you even read through the entire thread? Because if you had you would realize this story is bogus.
Go stick your head back into the sand.

[edit on 9-1-2008 by 4thDoctorWhoFan]

Awwwwwww Jeeeeeeez! I'm gonna just skip over all of the pointless bickering, finger-pointing and chest-thumping nationalism and just state the obvious - War is Hell and those that fight in wars are not exempt from diabolic behavior. We have seen this in every war ever fought perpetrated by BOTH sides of the conflict against innocent civilians and soldiers alike.

None of us here can confirm or deny the event as described because not a single one of us was there. But I believe in my heart that any lucid brain with a beating heart could agree with the following: If this story is in fact true, accurate and correct then the actions of this Iraqi soldier are both excuseable and commendable and he is justified as being recognized as a hero by his countrymen.

Blatant nationalism prevents people from looking through the fog to see the truth. If this event occured in your city - a group of thugs beating a pregnant woman - and they were of your nationality - would you not wish severe and irrepairable harm upon them or inflict it yourself if you were able? I believe that those who are both honest and sincere would agree that they would as beating a pregnant women, a child, the elderly, the infirmed is inexcusable under any circumstance!

Originally posted by kangjia57
Real proof will never come out as the US will try their best to smoke screen the situation with some BS story.

How do you know that this whole story isn't a smoke screen for something else?

What makes you so sure that this was a true story?

The whole thing will be reversed and Caesar will be labelled as an (terrorist) Al Qaeda member.

Why would they do that? You are just being silly now.

I just talked to (via email) a friend of mine who is on the ground in that area. He is a K9 Handler who walks the streets sniffing for explosives, so he is right there in the midst of everything all the time.

He said there is absolutely no truth to this story. Because when a soldier does something wrong (even if its getting an article 15 for something stupid) he would have heard about it right away, because that type of news travels fast. Plus there would be all kinds of security concerns (riots, revenge, etc). He asked his SF (security forces) friend who is up in Mosul if it was true and the answer was no.

He said knows about the soldiers who were shot, but said he head there were no civilians around and the story of the soldiers doing something to a woman is false. I also asked him if he was aware of "Caesar" graffiti and he said he hasn't heard of any but would ask his friend, who is up in Mosul, next time he talks to him.

Anyways, that is the response I got when I asked about it from someone there.


***Disclaimer***
I am in no way stating "ah ha! This is proof!" I am just relaying a message that I received from someone on the ground in Iraq

[edit on 9-1-2008 by greeneyedleo]

so now were gonna take your word for the happed there from someone you know who wasent even there ?

correct me if im wrong but that proves nothing

Originally posted by zerbot565
so now were gonna take your word for the happed there from someone you know who wasent even there ?

correct me if im wrong but that proves nothing

So you are saying the person who wrote the story from the OP was there and saw what happened? Didn't think so. What's the difference?
I would believe Greeneye way before you or especially the sources from the OP.

[edit on 9-1-2008 by 4thDoctorWhoFan]

Reply to zerbot565

so now were gonna take your word for the happed there from someone you know who wasent even there ?

correct me if im wrong but that proves nothing

Exactly that proves nothing.

Looking at the track record of troop harassment its very likey the event was True.


Reply to COOL HAND

Why would they do that? You are just being silly now.

They would do that so that the US reputation doesn’t get tarnished.

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
I just talked to (via email) a friend of mine who is on the ground in that area. (snip)
He said there is absolutely no truth to this story.

Now, now Leo...

You of all people should know that just because someone posts something doesn't make it so. I've seen you personally demand proof, disregard, or even admittedly mock people that do the same thing you are doing now. Especially if it pertains to the paranormal or conspiracy theories. Unless you can verify this claim with the same solid facts you and other debunkers routinely demand, I believe it too should be taken with a grain of salt.

The "truth" cannot be somehow different when certain people post it.

As far as this serious event that happened, I don't know what else to say other than I will just keep checking back to see if there are any updates. My comments on not jumping to conclusions about the story being false while even admitting that this could be propaganda spin have had me labeled unpatriotic and I'm accused of hating America more than the Devil himself.

We've gone from "it never happened!", to "okay it happened but not like they claim".

Two things I know do for sure right now are:

1. I still don't know exactly what happened and neither do any of you.
2. I don't even believe in the Devil, but hey I love the great Satan.

- Lee

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
If someone else can provide proof that there is a pregnant Iraqi victim out there and some witnesses who saw this happening, please provide it. We are all still waiting for that.

That's exactly what I've been saying all along.

I just haven't disregarded the possibility that the Iraqi news may have it right nor ignored that it could also be propaganda. I think that is the best approach to take for me. You guys are free to believe whatever you choose without clear facts but just be aware you could end up wrong. Like I said, some didn't even believe the shootings took place at all at first.

The military has said "for reasons that are yet unknown..." this attack has happened.

Till then we're all just shooting around possibilities and speculation at each other.
Oh and accusations a-plenty!

Originally posted by zerbot565
so now were gonna take your word for the happed there from someone you know who wasent even there ?

that's exactly what you are expecting everyone here to do. You want everyone here to take the word of someone they don't know - who lives on the other side of the world - and who is blatently anti-American.