Originally posted by greeneyedleo
Now now Lee.....

Did I once say I had proof? No!

I was just relaying a message I got from someone who is there...someone who reads local news....someone who talks to and mingles with the Iraqis every single day....someone who has friends in Mosul.

Yes, and you are presenting their message as proof that this story is false.

You said you spoke via email to someone in Iraq that is on the ground and this "person" has some sort of inside information that the story is completely false. That is claiming to have proof. How could it not be? If the opposite is presented or I claim to have a friend who is a villager where this event took place and he personally said the story is true what do you think the response would be?

I know exactly what it would be.
As well, it should be treated that way too.

Leo, when you claim to have personal information such as you did that refutes some controversial story or confirms it then yes you are claiming to have proof. You presented it as fact in this thread as if it should be believed.

Yes it is the same as the people that post word-of-mouth proof about UFO's, Aliens, Ghosts, Conspiracies...etc. Yes they are routinely asked to present the facts of this proof or their story is written off. That also should goes for the debunkers as well. You demanded facts in the beginning of this thread remember? Why do this? Well because someone claimed to have proof that two soldiers attacked a pregnant woman.

I'm not saying you didn't correspond with a soldier in Iraq I am saying...like with this story...I don't know if it is true therefore I need more information. I need what you need. Proof.

Either the proof you claim to have that proves this story absolutely false is presented or it should be ignored and therefore not even mentioned at all. Unless you show us the proof in which case it is credible.

- Lee

Originally posted by greeneyedleo

This is how propaganda and rumours start.

Clear misreprensation of what REALLY happened. You make it sound like a solider blantly shot a pregnant woman for the hell of it. That is NOT what happened:

Iraqi police and witnesses said the troops gunned down the woman and her cousin in their car. The U.S. military said the car entered a clearly marked prohibited area but failed to stop despite repeated signals; shots were fired to disable the vehicle]/b], it said.

Well its hard to KNOW what went through the soldiers mind.

I dont see how shooting at the people disables a car.

Those soldiers shouldnt be there in the first place, if they wernt there, she wouldnt have got shot.

[edit on 10-1-2008 by _Phoenix_]

Reply to _Phoenix_

Well its hard to KNOW what went through the soldiers mind.

They thought mightaswel Target practise.When the troops get bored they target practice a lot.

I dont see how shooting at the people disables a car.

What they meant was shooting the driver will Stop the car.If anyone else seen in the car than Shoot them aswel because they will take the driver position.
Thats how they Disable cars.

Those soldiers shouldnt be there in the first place, if they wernt there, she wouldnt have got shot.

That’s what I been tryna say from the Start.If the soldiers weren’t there than there wouldn’t have been more than half a million Iraqis dead and thousands of US troops dead.

Terrorists have not decreased but have increased rapidly.

What I don’t understand is why is the US soo keen in shedding their blood and Cash for the Zionists?

Why does the US have to do all the dirty work for Israel?

Originally posted by Midav

That has NOTHING to do with the topic here. Nada.. Zip.. Zilch!!!

You can't come up with any proof to the topic at hand and now you have to bring up something else just to put these soldiers in a bad light.

That is pathetic people.

Its not pathetic, and it IS on topic, this thread wouldnt even excist if they wern't in Iraq.

Originally posted by kangjia57
They thought mightaswel Target practise.When the troops get bored they target practice a lot.

Right. And where did you come about with this info that US Troops just blast at anyone for laughs?

They aren't just shooting people for grins and giggles. If they shot an innocent person, they know that they'd be standing before the Man, trying to explain why they did just that.

Funny, when I was over there, I didn't think I was fighting for Israel.

Originally posted by _Phoenix_

Originally posted by Midav

That has NOTHING to do with the topic here. Nada.. Zip.. Zilch!!!

You can't come up with any proof to the topic at hand and now you have to bring up something else just to put these soldiers in a bad light.

That is pathetic people.

Its not pathetic, and it IS on topic, this thread wouldnt even excist if they wern't in Iraq.

You just keep on telling yourself that.

As far as I care, I won't get any reasonable debate from this individual. Almost like saying we wouldn't have this debate if it weren't for the existence of water.

Back on topic.

Originally posted by zerbot565
mabye you should google then who gave saddam the mwd´s in the first place and with whos aproval , my point,

That would be France. Among others.

so what your saying is that the lives lost in 9/11 justifyes the loss of 1.1 million iraqies in this current " war " , aint that abit hypocritic ?

No. That's you putting words in my mouth. I have never said that. I am particularly offended by the ignorance that Cheney exploited when he linked Saddam with September 11. I was actually outraged when George Bush did the same during the presidential debates and after being corrected by Kerry wouldn't admit he was misleading the public.

I am also offended by the ignorance that puts the Iraqi body count at 1.1 million dead. In more than a decade of war it is estimated that Vietnam lost somewhere between 1 and 3 million and that required B52 bombing. In less than 4 years the Khmer Rouge killed or starved between 1 and 3 million to death and the evidence was all over the country to be seen by the naked eye. That's a country covered by jungle. Iraq is a desert, so where are the 1, 100, 000 bodies hiding?

No. Saddam's treatment of his own people justified regime change. Regime change that I supported. Regardless of whether or not he had Weapons of Mass Destruction (what, by the way, are "mwd's"?), regardless of the fact that he was not involved in any way whatsoever with the attacks of September 11. He was a bloody (in that he had blood on his hands) dictator who had invaded and looted another country (in Nuremburg terms that is "Waging a War of Aggression", a crime) after using chemical weapons on his own populace.

As I have said before, yes, I supported the invasion of Iraq to remove Saddam. No, I didn't buy the whole WMDs smokescreen. I thought the issue was irrelevant. I didn't care whether he had them or not.

However, I, in foolish naivete, assumed that the US, with its experience in rebuilding Europe, Japan and South Korea would actually plan its post-hostilities occupation properly and include contingency plans.

What the world found out was that Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and George W Bush were living in Wolkenkuckucksheim.

Originally posted by Midav

Let me get this straight....

No one can find any credible evidence that American soldiers kicked a pregnant woman.

and no one cant find any evidence that american soldiers DIDN´T kick a pregnant woman

to howl ,
so your saying that about 5 million iraqes are not on the run from their home country and that 4 m orphans need s a parent over there and that 1.1m iraqies didnt loose their life directly or indirectly cause of this war ,

i call it famin ,genocide and atrocity i could even call it a holocaust

Originally posted by zerbot565
and no one cant find any evidence that american soldiers DIDN´T kick a pregnant woman

So, in that case, you're automatically going to believe that they did.

Since most of what I read hasn't mentioned Word One about a pregnant woman, I'm willing to bet there wasn't one there.

Originally posted by zerbot565
.....1.1m iraqies didnt loose their life directly or indirectly cause of this war , i call it famin ,genocide and atrocity i could even call it a holocaust

Well, I know that a lot of them are buried in the desert in mass graves. Those are the ones that Saddam killed, by the way.