Rage, don't post anymore. you're not helping your self in any way. Bout time, I gotta apologize to ya then. I thought you were coming after soldiers, which would be wrong. But if you weren't disregard what I said. But, I don't get demoralized at all by reading some of the posts here. This website is my life support. It's the only place I get to talk to people on the outside now, unless I feel like paying a nice chunka change to call home. So actually, I think the web is a savoir to soldiers. Unfortunatly, the Army doesn't agree, and thus we have wicked fire wall here. But oh well, better have alittle than none. But anyways, thats really all I have to say now.

What a great stinking load of horse manure.

The LINK to the story says "Saddam's Capture Justifies War for Some", while the actual title of this thread says "Saddams capture justifies Iraq war for soldiers".

Misinformation. The article itself says it justifies it for SOME, not even MOST. Meaning, for the MAJORITY of US soldiers the capture of Saddam DOESN'T justify the war.

medic: War makes people into killers. War makes soldiers do terrible, terrible things that they relive for the rest of their lives. Rape, murder, violent aggression (see vietnam).

If you are saying that the ARREST of ONE MAN justifies the death of 10,000 civilians and the death of 500+ soldiers, then you're the singlemost deluded person I've ever met. No respect for human life either, and apparently no logical bone in your body.

And I don't give a crap what you're doing in Iraq, and I am not gonna congratulate you or any other soldier who is there, US, British, Japanese, Polish, etc.

You sign up for the Army, you know you're going to possibly pay for it with your life. So it's your job. I don't expect anyone to congratulate me every day for doing my job correctly, same goes for you. Keep your head down.

"No one joins the army to go to war. (except for the dumb ones) But when we do have to go, then we go. We don't getto pick what happens. And people will say " you joined, you knew what would happen". Thats BS. A majority of us joined to get college money, or because we had no idea what to do next in life. I have to tell ya, I didn't join with the idea of tryin to be Rambo in my head. "

Well then you're not quite a rocket-scientist yourself, are you? Didn't you read the pamphlet? Didn't you listen to your recruiter when he/she told you that YES this means that you may have to go to war. Illegal wars of aggression, no less. Wars that your President and his cronies decide that you may DIE FOR.

" It way not have been justified. I don't care. WE ARE STILL HERE. whether people think it was justified or not, doesn't make any difference."

Say, care to try that one again? You don't care if it was justified, and even if it was or not it doesn't make a difference to you?

I suppose that's the biggest difference between you and me.

If I was an American reservist, and I found myself in a foreign country as part of an Occupying Force, and I found out that the MAIN REASONS for the war were not true, I may be pretty pissed.

I may think that my LIFE and the lives of my fellow soldiers were being unneccesarily SQUANDERED for a war that should not have happened in the first place. Might make me a little bitter to think that even though we're apparently fighting for our country, if I die MY COUNTRYMEN are not allowed to see any pictures or video of my coffin. Go Freedom!

Chew on that one and please reply in an adult fashion. Even if it means you have to ask for help.


jako

Jakomo, I really got nothing to say to you bud. You didn't read my post right or somthing. You decided to just come on in and start attacking me. There's "adult fashion" for you. You didn't say one intelligent thing about the thread in general. more of that "adult fashion" huh. It's to bad the way you make your self look. So because the Article says SOME instead of ALL that means the rest hate it huh? so did they talk to EVERYONE? because otherwise how would you know? Oh gee, you wouldn't. I like how you said exactly what I posted that people would say. "you signed up! you knew what would happen!" LOL yeah, I may not be a rocket scientist, but you sure arn't either. haha. You know why I think you came on this thread attacking me? Because I told you off multiple times before, called you on lieing about "major combat operations in Bosnia" (which I still can't believe you tried to pass on me. lol.), and finally you saw that I posted last, and decided to show some of your own "adult fashion" lol good job. you must feel proud.

medic: Can you read?

I'm responding to your little gems like:

"yeah, unfortunatly people who arn't here don't get the big picture."

" I am a soldier here, in Iraq, and I take offense to all of what you just said. "

"I won't have people talking smack about soldiers. That goes to far."

" because until you've seen first hand Iraq before we came and Iraq afterwards, you really have no idea. I mean where do you get you info?"

" You know, the majority of people who say this kinda (c) were never in the military, and are generally at home right now in thier comfy house, where surprisingly enough, it's easy to make these remarks, without fear of having to explain them or back them up in any intelligent way."

CLAIMING you're in Iraq doesn't make your argument any better, when it's so full of holes.

Your argument seems to be that YES Saddams capture justifies the US presence in Iraq, and even if it doesn't who cares.

So I guess I can understand why you would rather not address that, because it's an embarassing argument to be making.

Hey I know, maybe if you say that you're an actual soldier IN IRAQ again, I will believe you more.

Go on.


jak

ps. you say ""It's to bad the way you make your self look.", but it's you who looks bad, and not just because it appears you use some form of Fisher Price Speak'n'Spell to help you in your spelling and punctuation. Doesn't the Army have some kind of minimum requirements when it comes to English?

[Edited on 11-2-2004 by Jakomo]

Nice try with attacking me agian. My argument full of holes? I'm not sure you even HAVE an argument. And if so what it is? Because all i'm getting out of this is that you don't like me much and your using grade school tactics to express it. But apparently thats your idea of "adult fashion". haha, attacking me because of spelling? haha....Now that is childish. What can I do? lol.

[Edited on 11-2-2004 by medic]

Sorry Medic but if you were dumb enough to sign up for the military in the first place, regardless of your reasons, then I have no sympathy for you.

I thought the reasons for an army were to protect a country? YOU invaded Iraq, they were no threat. I'll say it one more time...THEY WERE NO THREAT!!!

At the end of the day you're a bunch of hired killers, end of story.

I also find it very perplexing that you have Fight Club quotes in your signature. Fight Club is about anti-capatilism and anti-government, including your quotes. Yet at the same time you work for that same machine and support it...well...you don't exactly disagree with it anyway. That is one big contradiction and I think you're a bit confused, I think it's time you had a bit of a think...

What is this the both of you come on attacking me? how cool. Where did I ever say anything about sympathy? You need to reread my posts apparently. So Fight Club is a nihilist movie, and? If I wanna put the quotes from it in my post I will. You're pretty childish to attack me about that too. I really don't know what you two want from me? Change my views? not gonna happen. Disagree with the Army? Theres alotta things I hate about the Army. I posted before and said I wasn't "for" coming over here. You people just don't listen well. Not my problem though. So your saying saddam was never a threat? you need some time to think, not me.

medic: Just give up. You're arguing that the capture of Saddam DOES justify the illegal invasion, but you're also arguing that it doesn't matter if it was justified or not, because the US is there now and will be there for the future (however long it may be).

That you have absolutely no idea what your argument IS shows how much of a handle you have on this entire thing. Haha, quite embarassing for you. "What am I arguing again?"


Thanks for playing.

And I hope your superiors in the Armed Forces never find out you're posting on this site, because I was under the impression that you as a soldier are not allowed to go onto forums and post your opinions and stories about the Iraqi Invasion, but I guess you know better since you're apparently in Iraq, right?

Originally posted by medic
What is this the both of you come on attacking me? how cool. Where did I ever say anything about sympathy? You need to reread my posts apparently. So Fight Club is a nihilist movie, and? If I wanna put the quotes from it in my post I will. You're pretty childish to attack me about that too. I really don't know what you two want from me? Change my views? not gonna happen. Disagree with the Army? Theres alotta things I hate about the Army. I posted before and said I wasn't "for" coming over here. You people just don't listen well. Not my problem though. So your saying saddam was never a threat? you need some time to think, not me.

If you can't see the problem then you are about as useless as a condom machine in the Vatican. Either way I'm through with this discussion as you're a waste of time...over and out.

Jakomo, your pathetic, and yeah I think Saddam being caught was a good thing. So? Under the impression I couldn't post here? Theres you're war correspondance knowledge huh? Obiously you should look things up before you blindly post info you have no idea about. And what is it with you not believing i'm in Iraq? why would I lie about it? check my site. especially read the guest book, brainchild. More of those blind assumptions, I guess. I have no argument? No, let me break things down for you; I don't care one way or another, whether we ever find WMD. Saddam needed to go. For this I'm content. And you never did specify what your argument was. You just keep attacking me. Get a grip man. If your so righteous and smart then go find something else to do than flame me; you're not getting anywhere.

medic: Wow, you've gone through MEDICAL TRAINING and you're having trouble with this?

" have no argument? No, let me break things down for you; I don't care one way or another, whether we ever find WMD. Saddam needed to go. For this I'm content. And you never did specify what your argument was. You just keep attacking me. Get a grip man. If your so righteous and smart then go find something else to do than flame me; you're not getting anywhere. "

Yay, you figured out your argument and you only needed a bit of help! Good work!

I never specified my argument? Um, try reading my posts.

Actually, maybe you shouldn't even bother. I'm sure none of this is getting through to you.

Later.

jako

Jako, I don't know what else to say to you. Sorry I don't change my views to fit what you think is right. I'm glad flaming me like you do makes you feel all big and bad. Can't do anything about that either. So, what else is there to say? Nothing really. I think maybe you take opinions to seriously, and then you just get outa control flaming some one because they don't agree with you. Too bad. My MEDICAL TRAINING tells me you might have an anger problem, resulting from a chemical imbalance. Should get that checked out, pronto.

medic: "Jako, I don't know what else to say to you. Sorry I don't change my views to fit what you think is right. I'm glad flaming me like you do makes you feel all big and bad. Can't do anything about that either. So, what else is there to say? Nothing really. "

I completely agree.

Most of your "proofs" of your argument's veracity are just you saying "I am in Iraq and you're not so you don't know what you're talking about and I do."

You say things about happy Iraqis greeting you on the street, while we KNOW that's the exception rather than the rule. Whether we're there or not.

And you've told people THREE times to stop posting on this thread, when it's you who is spewing the verbal diarrhea around.

"I think maybe you take opinions to seriously, and then you just get outa control flaming some one because they don't agree with you. "

The first time you think is always the hardest, don't worry, you'll get better at it.

So tell me, how do you know it's an "exception"? Wheres your "proofs"? Just keep on flaming me too. You're the one who said to make replies in a "adult fashion". lol. "Verbal diarrhea"? what, then, would you call your first post on this thread?

[Edited on 11-2-2004 by medic]

medic: "So tell me, how do you know it's an "exception"? "

Media, correspondence, the internet, common sense.

Are you telling me that in fact US soldiers are NOT being attacked and killed every day in Iraq?

Do US soldiers receive more kiss of affection than they do rocket-propelled grenades?

Do you even speak Arabic so that you can understand what an Iraqi is actually saying when he/she speaks to you?

You know, I'm totally of the mind that you're not even in Iraq, simply because if you were, you would be FAR better at justifying it, because in your mind you would be trying to justify it EVERY SINGLE MINUTE OF EVERY SINGLE DAY while you were there.

That's why I don't think you are.

Have a good day.

Originally posted by John Nada
I also find it very perplexing that you have Fight Club quotes in your signature. Fight Club is about anti-capatilism and anti-government, including your quotes. Yet at the same time you work for that same machine and support it...well...you don't exactly disagree with it anyway. That is one big contradiction and I think you're a bit confused, I think it's time you had a bit of a think...

Did it ever occur to you that maybe he just likes the movie?

Medic, don't listen to these guys, they're the type that get off on insulting people over the internet because that somehow valdiates them. Stay happy with the knowledge that couldn't muster the courage to probably look you in the eye IRL, let alone say the # they are here.

I told you already, check my site. Should I send you some pictures? What would you like? Your answer to my question about "exception", was pretty vague. Can I get some links or something where is says only a few Iraqis like us. yeah we still get attacked, but it ain't the majority of the country thats doing it. You shoulda knew that, with your "media,correspondance, common sense". And heres a news alert for you, a large majority of these people speak english. You shoulda knew that too. What'd you think we did, draw pictures for them?

I think that the majority of you who disbelieve that Medic is indeed in Iraq, understand that it is not something that he embraces, the fact that he is here. What he does embrace is that we all all have each other in time of trouble, and that if he has a problem, we as his frinds here will help him through it, as we would each other. And furthermore, I really do not think that Jakomo has any right to insinuate that that Medic is lying in the first place. There is really not a whole lot of proof that can be offered, short of flying him out to the Baghdad Int'l Airport, get a little convoy of guntrucks and security vehicles out there, and escort his little ignorant self out to the base where we are at. Otherwise there is really nothing that we can do to prove it to him. He will have to just have a little faith, the way that we TRY to do when he states that he has seen major combat in Bosnia. (Huh????) I think that Jakomo is just being obstinate, simply for the effect that it can have on the people that he argues with. I think that anyone who would lie about being in a place like this, should have their head examined.

YOu guys need to start thinking before you post on here. Remember, INTELLIGENT arguments and statements are the most encouraged in here. Anything else that sounds like emotionally- based opinions are not really relevant. Otherwise your place on the internet is somewhere on the website for the Nickelodean Channel. Just a thought for you.

Hes a soldier, hes doing his job.

It was the " whitehouse's " job to insure that thier intel was bang on regarding Saddams WMDs, not his.

Now if America were to face a true war, Im sure the tables would turn.

Deep