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I estimate that return services organizations in Australia and New Zealand only have twenty to thirty years of life left in them. Once all the World Two vets have died out there will be no one left to run return services organizations. Vietnam vets aren't going to be to keen to run the organizations that refused to admit them when they came home.
That could be the seeds for further trouble because once in another twenty years or so after the returned services organizations have closed down Vietnam veterans will start to die out leaving combat vets has a very small minority of the population. The danger is that number crunchers will want to remove veterans services on this basis even thou younger NZDF personal will have served in peacekeeping roles. Judging by the number of people that attend Anzac dawn services I don't think that anything like this will happen. Rather I am just putting forward ideas for discussion. Note I in no way mean to take away from the those who have and will see service in peacekeeping roles.
Aside from Veterans welfare return service organizations in this part of the world are apolitical and thankful so.
Don you raised a very good point that I hadn't thought of return service organizations stand a good chance of surviving on a commercial basis via bars and restaurants. This leads me to concluded that return service organizations may come to exist in a different form or rather in name only.
Western companies like BP, Chevron, Exxon Mobil, Shell and Total SA in Iraq's oil industry has been criticized in recent weeks following published reports that several were close to signing no-bid contracts with the Iraqi government.
There was an immediate outcry over perceptions that the U.S. did invade Iraq to gain access to its massive oil reserves and there was no announcement of contracts Monday by Oil Minister Hussain al-Shahristani. news.yahoo.com...
One can only presume they will present stories which are anti-war and hostile to the Federal government. I do see this as just one more small step towards that radicalization that will one day boil over in our streets.
We may have the run end of the stick here . It may be those who haven't served who are the cause of future problems . The majority of the anti Vietnam War protesters never got with in a 1000 miles of Vietnam . The same goes for the Australian dock workers who went on strike in protest of the Vietnam War . I don't mean to pick on the anti Vietnam War movement rather I am just using it as an example
Don protesting your country involvement in war isn’t treason unless you are supporting the enemy your countries troops are fighting against .
The Australian dock workers that went on strike were at best irresponsible(SP?) citizens and at worse they committed treason . After all that you never said if you thought those who didn't or wont have served will be the instigators of trouble .
Another example of what I am talking about that is a little more specific is John Wayne . To my knowledge John Wayne never served a day during WW2 and yet he become one of the biggest supporters of the Mccarthy trials and of the Vietnam War.
Sure I support NZ role in the War on Terrorism but I don't support the reckless use of military force or witch hunts . If the Republicans lose control of all branches of government look for them to resort to Mccarthy style tactics .
If Republicans could get past their biases, they could also claim Teddy Roosevelt as one of their own greats. Until the GOP moderates, that won't happen.
It's not going to surprise me to see the definition of "Republican" undergo a massive change by the end of the next decade. In many respects, I look forward to it.
They [GOP] must win on substance, or perception. I don't think they can win on substance just now, so that leaves 'em with perception. I do agree that if Obama loses, we will see a new decade of advanced radicalism. Yikes.
For the sake of argument, what is the solution? I say that the reforms we need will come soon enough because the system will break and unrest will finally be sufficient to get that change that we all want.