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The Radicalization of America

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posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 07:45 AM
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I estimate that return services organizations in Australia and New Zealand only have twenty to thirty years of life left in them. Once all the World Two vets have died out there will be no one left to run return services organizations. Vietnam vets aren't going to be to keen to run the organizations that refused to admit them when they came home.


Up here the same is true. We had 16 million men under arms in WW2. The number actually in service at one time never reached past 13 million. To be 18 in 1945 you need to have been born in 1927. That makes those fellows - the youngest - about 81 in 2008.

The American Legion is the largest vets organization. It’s always been a right wing super patriot organization. Anyone with 90 days honorable service is eligible to join. I never did. Too much flag waving too anti-social. Old super-patriots. What it reminds me of and not in any complimentary fashion - Nuremberg thinking.

The VFW - Veterans of Foreign Wars - I joined in the early 1980s. Thirty years after being in Korea. So you can see I’m not an enthusiastic VFW type. I am a Life Member of the VFW. The VFW is much more progressive than the AL will ever be. AL looks BACK, VFW looks FORWARD. To my best knowledge the VFW never segregated itself but the AL did. That's UN-American IMO.

The DAV - Disabled American Veterans - requires a minimum VA rating of 10% to be eligible. I am a Life Member of the DAV. It is the ONLY organization that is 100% dedicated to improving the lot of America’s forgotten disabled veterans. (Life membership means you have paid your dues in advance).

There are a plethora of other vet organizations, at least half of which are pure frauds. Scams. But with 99.44% lack of REGULATING we make almost no effort to run them out of business. Hey, small government types prefer BIG fraud to BIG government. Eh?



That could be the seeds for further trouble because once in another twenty years or so after the returned services organizations have closed down Vietnam veterans will start to die out leaving combat vets has a very small minority of the population. The danger is that number crunchers will want to remove veterans services on this basis even thou younger NZDF personal will have served in peacekeeping roles. Judging by the number of people that attend Anzac dawn services I don't think that anything like this will happen. Rather I am just putting forward ideas for discussion. Note I in no way mean to take away from the those who have and will see service in peacekeeping roles.


Up here many - say most - small American towns are DRY. That is, they ban the legal sales of alcoholic beverages or have no sales on Sunday. That’s a base-line minimum for American Protestantism and especially of the largest denomination the SBC - Southern Baptist Conference. But state legislatures thinking ahead have thoughtfully provided a way out of this artificially induced dire straits. Private clubs!

The VFW and AL are private clubs. So while they CANNOT sell legal booze in dry jurisdictions they are permitted to allow consumption of personal booze on the premises. The private clubs make money selling what is called a “set-up.” Glasses, ice and mixers. Club members store their own booze in individualized lockable compartments - like mail boxes - large enough to hold a 1 liter size bottle - say Chivas Regal for example. Beer is another problem. During our experiment in Prohibition - 1920 to 1933 - beer was legal and sold every day. But it was by law limited to 3.2% alcohol. Normal beer is 4-5%. What came to be called "near beer."

Aside: The US Customs say any malted beverage not over 5% alcohol is defined as “beer.” If over 5% but not over 10% it is "ale." Any beverage over 10% alcohol by weight is "malt liquor." I have heard but could not prove that most private clubs would order one case of 3.2 beer and maybe a 100 cases of “regular” beer. When the ABC - Alcoholic Beverage Control - agents came checking they would be shown the case of 3.2% beer. With a “wink,” a $20 bill in the palm and an evening with your girlfriend “on the house” the ABC man would give the club a “clean bill of health.” In many parts of America this is not regarded as a criminal offense.

I believe the American Legion has about 2 million members. The VFW about 1 million and the DAV about 500,000. I do not see any of these main-line organizations being at the fore of any civilian radicalization. Too old, too fat, too rich. (And frequently, TOO drunk).

[edit on 6/30/2008 by donwhite]




posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 09:06 AM
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Aside from Veterans welfare return service organisations in this part of the world are apolitical and thankful so . Don you raised a very good point that I hadn't thought of return service organisations stand a good chance of surviving on a commercial basis via bars and restaurants . This leads me to concluded that return service organisations may come to exist in a differnt form or rather in name only . Don see your inbox for my reply on matters that go off topic .



posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 12:45 PM
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Aside from Veterans welfare return service organizations in this part of the world are apolitical and thankful so.


We had a very good government up here once upon a time. Then came Ronald Reagan and now we have none. Everything is for sale up here. I heard a House hearing this AM and it revealed $42 b. a year is spent on PRIVATE intelligence organizations allegedly hired to supplement the CIA and etc. 40% of our total outlay. Staffed by CIA retirees, we are paying TWICE for old news. Sweet Jesus! Taxpayers pay $80 a day to Lance Corporals in Iraq for example. Blackwater charges US taxpayers $1,100 a day. Iraqi Army privates are paid $16 a day.

Private government. 2 problems. 1) The public has no direct control over personnel or their actions. 2) It costs us 2X or more on no bid contracts to get the same work done because of the INSIDER profiteers. But was it not the Neo Con Guru who said “Government is the problem, not the solution?”

This is madness. Or have I actually died and gone to Hell?



Don you raised a very good point that I hadn't thought of return service organizations stand a good chance of surviving on a commercial basis via bars and restaurants. This leads me to concluded that return service organizations may come to exist in a different form or rather in name only.


Yes. Each of the AL and VFW have auxiliaries for the ladies. Now that more and more women are in the front line doing the killing, they may have to admit men into the auxiliaries?

I supplose you have heard Iraq signed up with the BIG OIL companies? ExxonMobil, BP, Shell and TOTAL - a French company. NO open competitive bidding. All negotiated contracts. Maybe they were right, it was O I L all the time. Our hand picked government lackeys can all retire to Switzerland now. And now we can have peace????


Western companies like BP, Chevron, Exxon Mobil, Shell and Total SA in Iraq's oil industry has been criticized in recent weeks following published reports that several were close to signing no-bid contracts with the Iraqi government.

There was an immediate outcry over perceptions that the U.S. did invade Iraq to gain access to its massive oil reserves and there was no announcement of contracts Monday by Oil Minister Hussain al-Shahristani. news.yahoo.com...


Daily KIA count at icasualties.org...

Q. What are Aussie PX or EM Clubs called?


[edit on 6/30/2008 by donwhite]



posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 06:58 PM
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I note with some interest that there will be several new TV shows in the Fall that will portray the Iraq war. One can only presume they will present stories which are anti-war and hostile to the Federal government. I do see this as just one more small step towards that radicalization that will one day boil over in our streets.



posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 08:52 PM
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One can only presume they will present stories which are anti-war and hostile to the Federal government. I do see this as just one more small step towards that radicalization that will one day boil over in our streets.


And if so, as I agree it will be - how could it be otherwise? - it is one more SHOT in the FOOT. It is the elected Administration that bungled the War, and NOT the permanent institution of government which we really cannot do without.

IF we cannot learn to differentiate between the two, we are in for some real hard times before we learn the lesson. Over again.



posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 10:24 PM
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I note with some interest that Barack Obama has recanted his much lauded policy of withdrawl from Iraq. There are many reasons why he might do this. I can only suggest that this change of heart will radicalize a few people in the long run.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 05:54 AM
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We may have the run end of the stick here . It may be those who haven't served who are the cause of future problems . The majority of the anti Vietnam War protesters never got with in a 1000 miles of Vietnam . The same goes for the Australian dock workers who went on strike in protest of the Vietnam War . I don't mean to pick on the anti Vietnam War movement rather I am just using it as an example .



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 06:35 PM
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We may have the run end of the stick here . It may be those who haven't served who are the cause of future problems . The majority of the anti Vietnam War protesters never got with in a 1000 miles of Vietnam . The same goes for the Australian dock workers who went on strike in protest of the Vietnam War . I don't mean to pick on the anti Vietnam War movement rather I am just using it as an example


The first US soldiers were sent to Vietnam by Pres. Eisenhower. 1958. 600 men in a MAAG. Military Advisory and Assistance Group. By JFK’s inauguration in 1961 the number was around 2,000. When JFK was assassinated in 1963, the number had risen to about 6,000. LBJ was in a dilemma. He wanted to win in 1964. He could NOT reverse JFK’s policy and pull out of Vietnam although that was talked about. He would have been denounced as SOFT on Communism! A great big No-No in America. Then LBJ’s own persona came into play. He never was a passive player and he never liked losing. Unfortunately for the world, he equated Vietnam as just one more problem he could solve. Personally.

Poorly advised and ill informed, LBJ repeatedly raised the stakes in the game he probably thought he was playing with Moscow. As it turned out Ho Chi Minh was his own man, something Americans are very much unfamiliar with when dealing with 3rd world countries. In those places the leader is generally in the pay of the dominant American corporate interest present in their land. I don’t mean to denigrate those men; they are doing the best they can. It's like they are playing in a high stakes poker game where our cards are dealt face down and theirs are dealt face up. You do what you can with what you’ve got.

Whether you are “IN” a war or not, if you are a citizen of the world then you have a RIGHT to express yourself, IMO. So I put no stock in ignoring a protest because the protesters were not there. In fact being there may cause you to miss the big picture and rely too much on personal experiences. For good or for bad.

There were a number of Vietnam vets who protested the war but I have no idea what part of the protest movement they would have been. I’m thinking 10-15%. Of course, Robert Kennedy was the leader of the anti-Vietnam war movement in 1968. When he was killed, a whole lot of the spirit drained out of the movement. Millions gave up and dropped out of politics. At that time the number of troops there was 550,000. And we were still losing. We never quite got the hang of fighting an insurgency. We know the talk - wining the hearts and minds - but we haven't learned to walk the walk. That requires more humility that we generally have.

I was not until after the 1974 resignation of Nixon and the seating of Gerald Ford that the Dems in Congress stopped the funding of the war. That forced the withdrawal in ‘74 and the predictable takeover by the North in ‘75. IT IS SO VERY HARD TO GET OUT OF A MESS ONCE IT IS CREATED. The law of unintended consequences takes over.

[edit on 7/8/2008 by donwhite]



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 09:47 PM
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Don protesting your country involvement in war isnt treason unless you are supporting the enemy your countries troops are fighting against . The Australian dock workers that went on strike were at best irresponsible(SP?) citizens and at worse they committed treason . After all that you never said if you thought those who didn't or wont have served will be the instigators of trouble .

Another example of what I am talking about that is a little more specific is John Wayne . To my knowledge John Wayne never served a day during WW2 and yet he become one of the biggest supporters of the Mccarthy trials and of the Vietnam War. Sure I support NZ role in the War on Terrorism but I don't support the reckless use of military force or witch hunts . If the Republicans lose control of all branches of government look for them to resort to Mccarthy style tactics .



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 09:17 AM
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Don protesting your country involvement in war isn’t treason unless you are supporting the enemy your countries troops are fighting against .


Technically you are very much correct. OTOH, the sitting administration will portray any NON support exactly as GIVING AID AND COMFORT to the enemy. Remember Jane Fonda? She is still maligned by the Right Wing who will not accept criticism easily. They are STEADFAST if not brilliant.



The Australian dock workers that went on strike were at best irresponsible(SP?) citizens and at worse they committed treason . After all that you never said if you thought those who didn't or wont have served will be the instigators of trouble .


Let’s face it, a mob is a mob whether under Der Fuhrer out chasing Jews or a mob in NYC out killing hapless blacks as they did in our Civil War when Lincoln instituted the draft. A union that cannot strike is a NON union, a union in name only. That is the kind of union we have in America. A NON union. The Republicans NEVER consented to the Wagner Act of 1933. Reagan killed the last hope of unions with he fired the PATCO workers en masse! Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization.

What I really do not understand (and I never have), is why so many otherwise well informed people think Ronald Wilson Reagan walked on water. See Foot Note 1.



Another example of what I am talking about that is a little more specific is John Wayne . To my knowledge John Wayne never served a day during WW2 and yet he become one of the biggest supporters of the Mccarthy trials and of the Vietnam War.


Yes, I believe what you say is true vis a viis John Wayne. Wayne was exempted from service due to his age (34 at the time of Pearl Harbor) and family status, classified as 3-A (family deferment). By all accounts, Wayne's failure to serve in the military during World War II was the most painful experience of his life. Wayne, by virtue of becoming a celluloid war hero in several patriotic war films, as well as an outspoken supporter of right-wing political causes and the Vietnam War, he became the focus of particular disdain from the public in later years. His widow suggested that Wayne's rampant patriotism in later decades sprang not from hypocrisy but from guilt.
en.wikipedia.org...

It should come as no surprise I regard this as his WORST movie. “Big Jim McLain” (Warner Brothers, 1952), was a John Wayne film starring Wayne and James Arness as HUAC investigators hunting down communists in the post-war Hawaii organized labor scene. House Un-American Activities Committee. A Red-hunting vehicle first used by Richard Nixon as a new congressman from California on his way UP. en.wikipedia.org...



Sure I support NZ role in the War on Terrorism but I don't support the reckless use of military force or witch hunts . If the Republicans lose control of all branches of government look for them to resort to Mccarthy style tactics .


Ha! Republicans have NEVER ended the use of witch hunts. They are the one’s who have NEVER ended the use of RACISM to gain political advantage. I am hoping they will REFORM themselves this cycle. As a person who has never made a dollar in private life McCain should be a advocate for TOLERANCE but I don’t think so. Keep in mind McCarthy flourished in that rare time - Republican control of the US Senate. He was a nobody under Dem control. McCarthy was rampant under Pres. Eisenhower.


Foot Note 1. Notwithstanding my disdain for Red-baiting witch hunters, in 1999 I listed John Wayne as one of the TEN most significant contributors to the 20th century. Here is my list: 1) Churchill; 2) Franklin Roosevelt; 3) Albert Einstein; 4) M.K. ‘the Mahatma’ Gandhi; 5) Jonas Salk; 6) Nelson Mandela; 6) George C. Marshal; 7) Eleanor Roosevelt; 8) Rachel Carson; 9) Walter Reed; and 10) John Wayne.

[edit on 7/9/2008 by donwhite]



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 04:08 PM
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I know I've said this before, but it bears saying again. Reagan's single greatest contibution to the nation was his embrace of patriotism and his ability to speak optimistically. Yes, he made a lot of mistakes. All Presidents do. but, I have not seen any otehr in my lifetime who has made it their business to act and speak with pride and the intent to inspire.

Republicans have no other example of a President who could make you want to get up off your butt and go do stuff. Democrats can point to Kennedy and FDR. If Republicans could get past their biases, they could also claim Teddy Roosevelt as one of their own greats. Until the GOP moderates, that won't happen.



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 05:20 PM
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If Republicans could get past their biases, they could also claim Teddy Roosevelt as one of their own greats. Until the GOP moderates, that won't happen.


Actually, Teddy was about 33 years ahead of Franklin. Teddy made Franklin's path much easier to tread. I'm not counting Franklin's tour of duty in the NY Assembly or his time as NY governor which in both cases he was ahead of his time.

But it was Theodore Roosevelt who first proposed to the US Congress UNIVERSAL access to health care; Forty hour work week and overtime; Workers compensation; and SOCIAL SECURITY. (All of which measures Germany had adopted under Count von Bismark who was NO socialist I assure the reader).

[edit on 7/9/2008 by donwhite]



posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 01:36 AM
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It's not going to surprise me to see the definition of "Republican" undergo a massive change by the end of the next decade. In many respects, I look forward to it.



posted on Jul, 19 2008 @ 12:18 PM
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It's not going to surprise me to see the definition of "Republican" undergo a massive change by the end of the next decade. In many respects, I look forward to it.


I see a real challenge in this electoral cycle. America's blacks had their best advocates shot out from under them in 1968. 40 years ago. MLKJr in April, RFK in June. LBJ on his on accord, had taken full advantage of the country's grief over JFK to cause Congress to enact the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. Texan and Southern Democrat (reformed) proved to be the BEST friend America's blacks had after Abraham Lincoln. But LBJ's miscalculations in Vietnam denied him a second term and more progressive legislation for America's blacks. FDR and HST though well intended pale to LBJ. The 25th Amendment (introduced in 1962) was adopted in February, 1964. It overruled State's Rights that were employed to deny blacks the right to vote by laying on poll taxes. 1-9-6-4.

However you want to describe it, we know for a fact that Dems do NOT use racist attacks in their electoral campaigns. Can everyone give the Dems a hand? OTOH, we know the GOP was anti-Catholic in 1928, against Al Smith. Gratis because the Dems did not have a China-man's chance. We know the GOP resisted mightily the appointment of Louis Brandies to be the first Jew to sit on the US Supreme Court. No, Barry Goldwater was not a Jew, he was an Episcopalian. His Jewish ancestry probably did cost him some GOP votes. We know Reagan became governor of California in part because of his oft repeated (but entirely fabricated) Welfare Cadillac story. Unashamedly Reagan always re-told the Welfare Cadillac story at fundraisers. It became his trademark. Reagan's ceaseless opposition to every welfare program of the US of A exposed his anti-black biases.

The senior Bush did not hesitate to use the Willie Horton ads to beat his Dem opponent. Trent Lott and J Strom Thurmond's birthday party! Jesse Helms won his last 2 senate races on racist ads. The current Bush Junior refused to speak before the NAACp. Hey they did not like him and he did not like them. The current candidate John McCain did go before the NAACP but most observers say his speech was NOT intended for the balcks in the audience, but was for WHITES watching on tv to be assured he, McCain, was not kowtowing to the NAACP to get black votes. An in your face speech. All you Rev. Hagee Christian types across the south can vote for McCain assured he will NOT help America's blacks. See Note 1.

Whether you liked John Kerry or not, 99% of Republicans stood silent while the Swift Boat 527 slander of an American who served his country well and was decorated in appreciation of his service. Barack Obama immediately chastised Gen. Wesley Clark when he remarked disapprovingly on John McCain's claim for his own superior Commander in Chief experience. Shucks, after watching Repubican George Walker Bush perform as Commander in Chief for 7 years, I'd say any above average 14 year old could do that job! Well, as good as Bush43 did it.

I've said a lot to get here. Radicalization of America. I've got TWO big IFs. IF No. 1. If the GOP spews forth its traditional racist slander, and IF No. 2, if Barack Obama loses the election because of that anti-black stuff, then you will have re-energized 39 million people. OTOH, the Republicans have an opportunity to put all of that behind them. Or they can "TRASH" the African American candidate and America will reap the consequences!

I really hope the GOP takes the HIGH road.


Note 1.
Rev. John Hagee, San Antonio’s rotund, right-wing, Pentecostal televangelist, founder of Cornerstone Church, and JHM Ministries saw prosperity during the bull market of the Clinton years. Hagee handily raised obscene amounts of tax emempt money for larger church buildings, a private television studio, hi-tech recording studio for his children's singing group, and a lavish exclusive 500 bed resort for church members located in the small Texas Hill Country town of Tarpley, complete with it's own man-made lake suitable for water skiing modestly referred to as the "Cornerstone Church Camp."

This is not the first time the Hagee Ministry has resorted to outrageous methods for raising cash. Several years ago, Hagee stirred a raging controversy in San Antonio's black communities when he advocated a "Slave Sale" in which students of his private Cornerstone Christian School were to be auctioned off in exchange for cash. www.democraticunderground.com...

[edit on 7/19/2008 by donwhite]



posted on Jul, 19 2008 @ 06:36 PM
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In regards to GOP slander, I think it's safe to say that today's political atmospehre will not be conducive to anti-racial tactics. Republican strategiest know that the race card simply isn't enough to overcome the three strikes they've already got against them. They must win on substance, or perception. I don't think they can win on substance just now, so that leaves 'em with perception.

I do agreethat if Obama loses, we will see a new decade of advanced radicalism. Yikes.



posted on Jul, 30 2008 @ 09:26 PM
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They [GOP] must win on substance, or perception. I don't think they can win on substance just now, so that leaves 'em with perception. I do agree that if Obama loses, we will see a new decade of advanced radicalism. Yikes.


I’m not good at judging “wave” of popularity. Sure, I’ve seen a lot. Elvis for example. Off to a bad or slow start but finished in a flash of light that outlives him. I was around when Douglas MacArthur was accused of walking on water. Little did I know then he had been made a national hero just to bolster our war effort back home and not for what he had done. FDR ordered him off Corregidor because he was the recently retired Army Chief of Staff. FDR left Jonathan Wainwright behind to withstand 4 years of captivity by Japan.

I watched JFK rise and be taken down. And others. Martin Luther King Jr. opted from the outset of his ministry turned civil rights campaign to follow the Indian Mahatma, M. K. Gandhi. Long before Ben Kingsley won an Oscar for the 1982 film. Recall the scene where the British were using bats to KO the pacificist Indians walking into the slugfest with hands at their sides, to passively take the knock-down blows rendered by British soldiers? In the film, British General Dyer is overheard remarking to Lord Chelmsford that he - for the British - cannot defeat men who will go unarmed and willingly to die. Aside: It was good for Gandhi and India that they were struggling against Great Britain and not China for example, which would not have given up in India because their task seemed futile.

From Dr. King’s murder in April until RFK’s murder in June, 1968, America teetered on the edge of an uprising that could have been the largest and most deadly since 1831's Nat Turner Slave Revolt. (That just one of 13 slave revolts recounted in Wikipedia at en.wikipedia.org... )

Just as Rev. Wright inconveniently exposed the GREAT DIVIDE that still exists in America - but totally ignored by white people - there is a undercurrent of resistance to race based white domination of 40 million American blacks. It’s there. Every black American knows full well what Rev. Wright meant, very few whites know or give a dam. We may outlive this crisis but we are walking on a precipice in 2008.

Remember when I laughed out loud when the RICH WHITE MAN who runs Jacksonville made a multi-pronged approach to curb murders mainly in the black community? Q. What was the most expensive single program? A. To HIRE 200 more jail guards.

A civil society white style. Just who do you think those jail guards would be guarding? White R&Fs snatched off golf courses for financing big time dope rings? Or renting slum property? No way, Jose!

Everyone reading this knows exactly WHO would be locked away. We have not yet learned our lessons.


[edit on 7/30/2008 by donwhite]



posted on Jul, 31 2008 @ 03:13 AM
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For the sake of argument, what is the solution? I say that the reforms we need will come soon enough becuse the system will break and unrest will finally be sufficient to get that change that we all want.



posted on Jul, 31 2008 @ 09:04 AM
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For the sake of argument, what is the solution? I say that the reforms we need will come soon enough because the system will break and unrest will finally be sufficient to get that change that we all want.


There is a story out today on My.Yahoo dot com that 2 years after the St. Paul bridge fell that fewer than 10% of the most heavily traveled and most in danger bridges have been repaired. Other: Jacksonville schools enroll 120,000 students. Jax is in the top 10 districts by student count. Taxpayers - local, state and Federal - ante up $1.1 b. a year. Yet, 13 of our 16 high schools are NOT accredited. Why? The R&Fs send their children to Boles (Protestant) or to Bishop Kenny (Catholic). If the R&Fs abandon the public schools how can they ever get better?

Jax had 110 homicides last year. Tourist trade is put at risk! Not good for local business. It has had 49 so far this year. Most victims are black, young and may or may not be in the drug scene. Some are bystanders killed by drive-bys gone awry. Other: Since 1969 we have waged a War on Drugs. What do we have to show for that? 25% of black men under 30 years of age nationwide have been to prison. Do we actually BOAST of that number? It should be a DIRE warning! It has been reliably established by private groups that 10-15% of the black men in prison are innocent of the crime they stand convicted of. Who gives a hoot?

The consequences of this widespread and dreadful condition of poverty and misapplied justice is exacerbated by the R&Fs - the Movers and Shakers - who always have TOP DOWN solutions that result mostly in the R&Fs getting richer at the public trough. There are none to all too few BOTTOM UP ideas how to escape the treadmill of hopelessness. That - asking ideas or input from those directly effected - is contra-indicated to the R&Fs.

The most recent City anti-crime initiative in Jax is called “The Jacksonville Journey” which that unrelated name automatically alerts me to more of the usual BS is on the way. The single most expensive item out of 15 items, was to HIRE 200 MORE JAIL GUARDS. Hey, is that a message or is that a message? A white man’s solution to a black man’s problem.

So you ask, “what can reformers do?” Well, I’ve watched the scene from Louisville and now from Jacksonville. It all comes down to one word: POVERTY.

But for the fact of life that the white man is 99.44% the cause of the black man’s problem, I’m sure the blacks would rather white people just butt out. Solutions are comparatively easy to find, but it is in the implementation that has proved impossible.

If the white R&Fs continue to isolate themselves in safe communities with guards at the gate, how can any of them know or appreciate what life is like in overcrowded, under served, ramshackle apartments (almost invariably owned by absentee whites)? Who by the way collect all Section 8 money. We need a sea change in white attitudes toward the poor white and black.

[edit on 7/31/2008 by donwhite]



posted on Jul, 31 2008 @ 09:11 AM
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In my opinion, radicalization/polarisation is not just an American phenomenon but something you see all over the Western world. It is a symptom of the destruction of western society and especially the loss of culture in combination with the atomization of society. On one hand there are those who take the multi-culturalist and consumerist system propaganda for granted and will defend it at all costs, while on the other hand there are the dissidents who vary from anarchists and libertarians to fascists and "muslemfundamentalists".



posted on Jul, 31 2008 @ 09:32 AM
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When the White district of NO is built up and the whites are partying.
while across town the Negro Community is still not back in their homes.
One has to ask themselves, Why would white folks down in NO be parrtying
and not lending a hand to their Neighbors ?

What is wrong with the people in NO?
they certainly can not call themselves Americans.
and I have a serious problem with them calling themselves humans for I do not see humanity in NO.

Now to this day nothing has changed down in NO ,When they come to evict you and your families for the SPP Corridor will their be Americans their hand in hand with you to protect you and yours?

When they came for the Negroes I did not do anything
when they came for the Chinese I did not do anything
When they came for the Native i did not do anything
when they came for me no one was left to help me

There are no more Americans the people today in NewOrleans ARe not Americans I don't know where they came from but they sure as hell are not Americans

IF Americans do not start standing hand in hand regardless of station in life color creed or Religion . they are not worthy of freedom nor to be called Americans.

Your on your last stand, hanging by a thread ,and all I see are dark eyes and apathy.
you reap what you sow and you are sowing today your destruction
and pissing away your dream




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