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Originally posted by reluctantpawn
The key question is how far will we fall when it comes? Will we truly be as poor as the former Soviet Republic? I believe that we have been to free for too long to put up with much more. We are an ingenious people and we will overcome and rise out of the ashes. Will it be literal or figural I don't know.
J/O posted above:
Americans have had almost eight full decades of unparalleled peace and unrivaled prosperity. In many respects, this next downturn will be uncharted territory. If it’s bad, we'll see a lot of radicalization. Some of it will be aimed at regime change, and that'll be a group of radicals that our own government will fear and vilify the most. This will also be the group that gets used against us the most. That threat will be played up, and magnified.
It won't be in Uncle Sam's best interest to make the militant threat go away. They'll want ot keep it alive and breathing to some degree, so that we will always have something to be afraid of.
While this thread has a US focus many global problems also have some relevancy. Climate change regardless of its cause, food shortages and the resulting price hikes can only lead to conflict. Every region of the world except for the Antarctic currently is unstable, beset by problems or borders on a region that fits that picture. Still people aren't entirely clueless; vegetable gardens have made a come back. I have no doubt that we are entering a period of increased global instability even without our current economic woes.
I have maintained from the start of this thread that American radicalization will happen due more to economic factors than to political factors. At this point, I see no reason to change my mind. Economics will drive us in to a turbulent decade. The next ten years could very well see a rise in domestic terrorism.
The bad news for any home grown wannabe terrorists/insurgents is that after over forty years the US military has finally learnt how to fight a counter insurgency war and win . Undoubtedly any wannabe terrorists/insurgents would face US troops who had successfully implemented the surge in Iraq.
Originally posted by xpert11
reply to post by Justin Oldham
The other way things could play out is that assuming a domestic insurgency breaks out after the US military has wound down operations in Iraq the likes of Blackwater could be used to combat the insurgency initially. Such a move and its accompanying civilian massacres would only play into the hands of the insurgents . Ultimately I think that it would be up to the US military to defeat the insurgency . How long and effective the insurgency depends on the decisions made by civilian leaders and how well the US military retains its combat veterans and urban warfare skills .
I would suggest that a conscripted army is more likely to be used on us, here at home, than is an all volunteer force. I do fully expect the Democrats to push for and get their way in this matter. A conscripted force is easier to control. Today's Republicans in power have lost touch with that fact.
I have no doubt that it'll be a Democratic President who will ask for the authority to use Federalized forces on domestic soil.
Xpert once again brings about an interesting point. Will mercenary groups be turned loose against homegrown insurgent groups? They will be able to act more quickly and without chain of command issues. I feel we have a strong likelyhood of seeing something like this.
Even if we factor out Ruby Ridge and Waco . .
Given the Democratic party's taste for big government, I worry that future Democrats may take a cavalier attitude when it comes to the use of force.