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Originally posted by aussiespeeder
I thought this is what ats is all about.
put out your theory, show your evidence and discuss.
yes it is your job to educate us if that means having a few links to whatever your theory is based on, I just dislike people saying they have proof when it doesnt exist. sure scientific proof is difficult in any subject
but why I love reading all this stuff is it is presenting me with lots of points of view, right, wrong and just conjecture.
just call it a theory not proof.
Originally posted by jfj123
The video claims that the Brown Dwarf and our star orbit each other. This is the only reason the star would bring planets around our system. If this is true, why is there no evidence that we have a binary (2 star) system?
Originally posted by jfj123
The problem here is that there is no geologic evidence of a worldwide catastrophe re-occurring every 3600 years throughout the history of earth.
The last pole shift occurred 800 million years ago and it took 20 million years for it to happen.
is used for:
The South Pole Telescope is a 10 meter diameter telescope located at the South Pole, Antarctica. It is a microwave telescope that observes in a frequency range between 70 and 300 GHz. The primary science goal for SPT is to conduct a survey to find several thousand clusters of galaxies, which should allow interesting constraints on the Dark Energy density and its equation of state.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Please be specific about which planets and when the global warming started on them.
And if a small, failed star were close enough to cause these problems, it would be easily detectable.
Research a little before you post.
Theories that we are part of a binary system have been around for years and years and have been juggled back and forth by many reputable scientists. This is nothing new. There is no proof that we ARE a binary system AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC at this time, but there is also no proof that we ARE NOT a binary system.
The binary system theory not only explains the perturbations, but it also explains the systematic mass extinction events on Earth. The second sun passes through the Kuiper Belt like clockwork every X-amount of years disturbing comets. These comets are then sent on a collision course with Earth. Again, this is nothing new.
And guess what the most likely candidate would be?
You guessed it: a brown dwarf. That would have plenty of mass to cause the unexplainable perturbations on outer planets while remaining practically invisible to anyone on Earth.
Originally posted by ChocoTaco369
Originally posted by jfj123
The problem here is that there is no geologic evidence of a worldwide catastrophe re-occurring every 3600 years throughout the history of earth.
And there doesn't need to be. If all that happens is a bunch of hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes or blizzards or something, it probably won't leave much evidence behind.
The last pole shift occurred 800 million years ago and it took 20 million years for it to happen.
is used for:
The South Pole Telescope is a 10 meter diameter telescope located at the South Pole, Antarctica. It is a microwave telescope that observes in a frequency range between 70 and 300 GHz. The primary science goal for SPT is to conduct a survey to find several thousand clusters of galaxies, which should allow interesting constraints on the Dark Energy density and its equation of state.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
And if a small, failed star were close enough to cause these problems, it would be easily detectable.
Look, I could do this forever.
You're talking out your...well, you know.
You're an internet warrior.
You're on a high horse here, acting like some know-it-all, yet you have no information about the subjects at hand.
You post woefully general articles as if they're some type of absolute proof that this is all BS.
Can you PROVE there is no Planet X?
If you can't do so (and I KNOW you can't), I suggest you get off your high horse.
Be open to the possibility that Planet X may exist and accept the FACT that you're ignorant on this subject.
If 2012 comes and this didn't happen, start a thread about how you were right. Until that day comes (and it may never come), accept that you don't have all the answer - or any answers in this case.
Originally posted by keops
reply to post by jfj123
you didn't see the videos posted earlier? or go to google videos,youtube , do some research yourself,I'm not going to argue with sceptical people
Originally posted by jfj123
If you read my posts, and understood them, you know I have done some research.
As you say, there is NO PROOF we are part of a binary system. My point exactly.
The fact that you also say there is no proof that we are not part of a binary system is a pointless statement. In fact there is no proof of a lot of things in which we do not believe. For example, you cannot prove that there are not invisible, purple, flying wombats living on the clouds over your roof. Remember that a belief in everything is as useful as a belief in nothing
Be be specific about x amount of years. Show me the clockwork mass extinctions on earth.
A large orbiting astroid.
A comet.
Solar events.
Climate change.
Disease.
Misc. Natural Terrestrial Phenomenon.
ETC...
Show me specifically how you came up with your conclusion.
Also, I did not address and wobble regarding planets, only our own sun. I haven't read any articles that show direct evidence of another star having gravitational effects on Sol (our sun).
Originally posted by jfj123
So now we're going from worldwide natural disasters to hurricanes which we get all the time, some tornadoes which we get all the time and a blizzard or 2 which we get all the time and have. Ok doesn't sound all that bad all of a sudden. Excellent I'll pack away a few cans of mini-ravioli and I'll be all set.
We know this because of something called science.
And name calling is VERY childish and will get you banned. I suggest you reconsider calling people ignorant.
"We know this because of science." What is that supposed to mean? Please, show us all the "science" that tells of when the last pole shift was, and please, explain to us how this "science" is guaranteed to show us every pole shift? Do we even KNOW what a pole shift is? How many have our modern scientists lived through?
That's right, none.
Since ATS is all about finding the truth, I'll keep proving your ignorance to everyone.
I can't provide proof of something that doesn't exist. You're asking me to prove a double negative which is simply not possible.
What doesn't exist? The South Pole Telescope doesn't exist? What are you talking about? I don't think you even know what you're talking about anymore.
How so? Please, explain how such a feat is possible.
gravitational measurements.
IR measurements.
etc..
Show us how to do them since you're the expert. Last time I checked, we haven't cataloged everything in our sky. Since this star, if it exists, is visible at the south pole only, that means we have almost no record of those stars since it's only visible from Antarctica.
Please, give me a break. When you call someone out and they respond "because science says so," it's painfully obvious they've run out of arguments
Alright, I can't do this anymore. Quite frankly, I don't think anyone is even reading this. I hope I have helped expose you as the troll you are. Try being a little more open minded. You're not an expert. You don't have all the answers. The sooner you understand these things, the sooner this topic can get back on track.
[edit on 26-12-2007 by ChocoTaco369]
Originally posted by ChocoTaco369
Originally posted by jfj123
If you read my posts, and understood them, you know I have done some research.
Incorrect. Spending 10 minutes on Google is NOT research. Again, for an internet warrior it may be, but 10 minutes on Google doesn't hold up in real life.
As you say, there is NO PROOF we are part of a binary system. My point exactly.
The fact that you also say there is no proof that we are not part of a binary system is a pointless statement. In fact there is no proof of a lot of things in which we do not believe. For example, you cannot prove that there are not invisible, purple, flying wombats living on the clouds over your roof. Remember that a belief in everything is as useful as a belief in nothing
Shoddy argument once again. Us being part of a binary system is in fact a REAL, REPUTABLE THEORY backed by real, reputable scientists. Comparing a real, respected scientific theory to "invisible flying wombats" is the tool of a coward. You've been beaten in the argument, so you try to dumb down the theory. You trying to dumb it down doesn't change the fact that it's a real, respected published theory, and it also doesn't change the fact that you're running out of arguments.
Be be specific about x amount of years. Show me the clockwork mass extinctions on earth.
Since you're so good at using Google, why don't you spend 10 minutes looking up mass extinction records? Once again, the Nemesis theory is based upon this. "X amount of years" isn't a nonscientific statement. Science uses wide ranges of dates and generalizations. That's what scientific cosmology is all about - broad, sweeping generalizations that try and explain things on a grand scale.
A large orbiting astroid.
A comet.
Solar events.
Climate change.
Disease.
Misc. Natural Terrestrial Phenomenon.
ETC...
Incorrect. Since we're talking about the Nemesis theory, the top two candidates are a brown dwarf or a red dwarf. Do. Your. Research.
Show me specifically how you came up with your conclusion.
Also, I did not address and wobble regarding planets, only our own sun. I haven't read any articles that show direct evidence of another star having gravitational effects on Sol (our sun).
Where did I come to my conclusion. Well, I read the articles. If you would have, you'd have reached the same conclusion. Again, since internet warriors love to cause trouble but never follow the links or do the research when you send them to them, I don't expect you to ever read up on the theory.
Originally posted by andre18
NOBODY and I am speaking for everyone on ATS……cares at all….about your freakin Urantia Book……. it was made in the 50’s or something by people just like you and me…it even says people who claim to have written it……there is no alien BS about it…..no special stuff……..nothing……..
Originally posted by jfj123
reply to post by ChocoTaco369
Research a little before you post.
Originally posted by blueyedevil666
reply to post by HighPriest42
Theres no 'planet' 'coming'....that is pure utter fantasy. Where do you get your scientific information? With a screen name like Highpriest (insinuates maybe pagan beliefs) one has to question.
[edit on 26-12-2007 by blueyedevil666]
Originally posted by blueyedevil666
reply to post by HighPriest42
With a screen name like Highpriest (insinuates maybe pagan beliefs) one has to question.