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Originally posted by Kaliayev
The linkup between black lodges and criminal groups is interesting, but hardly unexpected. The secrey of such groups, as well as their exclusiveness, allows for meetings which would look suspicious if conducted otherwise.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by Redge777
So you would be willing to reveal all of your personal secrets? Post them online here at ats and I will share some secrets in return.
All companies should get rid of their secrets too? All parents should reveal everything? Lets also make sure to ask God...should God reveal all the mysteries and secrets of creation?
You want everything about everyone laid out? Total transparency?
May I install a camera in your house so that I see everything you do and we get rid of all your secrets?
Originally posted by Skyfloating
There are only three degrees and I went up three degrees!
Originally posted by OrionStars
It is written in the book that no one under the 32nd degree is to become aware of what transpires at 32nd degree and up.
According to Pike, those, not at least 32nd degree, are not "enlightened" and will not be "enlightened" until they are tapped for 32nd initiate ino the highest level of Freemasonry.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by OrionStars
It is written in the book that no one under the 32nd degree is to become aware of what transpires at 32nd degree and up.
Oh really? Exactly *where* in the book does it say that now?
Pike never said anything about becoming "enlightened" by receiving a degree of Masonry. The degrees can *assist* one in becoming enlightened, but can't do the job for you.
masonic light from another tread speaking of another poster-
Obviously, his "education" comes from Internet conspiracy websites. To an honest, unbiased researcher, his assertions about Albert Pike, the Scottish Rite degrees, the P2 Lodge, etc., are laughable.
Originally posted by Redge777
This took me 1 minute 58 seconds to find, should I continue, I am sure there is more.
This was not directed at me but I found it ironic. Personally I agree in honest research, but I admit I have a bias.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
And lastly, you seem unaware that Pike eventually retracted many of the statements that you quoted after Gould published his "History of Freemasonry".
Well, I don't think anyone can be *completely* unbiased. But accusing Pike, a sincere if somewhat unorthodox Christian, of devil worship is a little bit too much. I'm sure you, as well as I, remember something about bearing false witness written somewhere.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
I actually wish you would have, because you may have missed the point. It has been said that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. That's because if we know only a little bit about a particular subject, instead of the whole story, we can easily be led to drawing false conclusions.
Originally posted by Redge777
His retraction would follow his ideas of hiding truth, as much as discard them. His denials do not make them any less valid. Its a crediblity thing of a person who teaches methods of deception.
If his statements were vague, or were only in one or two parts I read, I would conclude that you may be correct, but when I read it it follows that theme.