Gigantic Alien Craft Photographed By Cassini! NASA’s Cover-Up Blown?, page 10

reply to post by johnlear

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John, thanks for taking the trouble of contacting Norman. Needless to say, it is disappointing to know that he has not given permission for reproducing the photographs.

However, Norm has mentioned that “The photo is a ‘kluged-up” image primarily based upon Ringmakers of Saturn Plate 27 page 50.” What does 'kluged-up' imply?

Is what internos posted above, a genuine scan of the one printed in Norman's Ringmakers of Saturn?

reply to post by pjslug

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You mean like a Malon garbage scow? How dare those aliens, dumping toxic waste into our Sun! If anyone has any right to use our Primary as a garbage furnace, it's us!

Originally posted by Beachcoma
You mean like a Malon garbage scow? How dare those aliens, dumping toxic waste into our Sun! If anyone has any right to use our Primary as a garbage furnace, it's us!

Silly Beachcoma! But it might be their sun, too! For all we know, they could have some federation guildelines that say this whole region of space is like a public park. We puny humans can't stop them, since we haven't even tamed spaceflight at reasonable distances yet.

A public park? I never thought of that. That would explain all the sightings. Earth must be like the Central Park Zoo.

"Observe the primitive sub-light humans in their natural habitats"

Pshaw, we haven't even reached 1/8th impulse yet.

Originally posted by Beachcoma

Pshaw, we haven't even reached 1/8th impulse yet.

haha engage
Guys, not to sound like a debunker, but there have been asteroids in the vicinity of Saturn, and i mean lots of them (at least more than could be expected) and some asteroids are so young that they havent differentiated yet, and the spin on that one could have made it form oblong instead of spherical.
But anyway, good hunting.

Lets not forget about this guy
www.youtube.com...

reply to post by johnlear

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John thank you for your thoughts and efforts. I did a little digging and I hope that this is not a violation in any way, but I found the image in question:

These following series images are jpg files of the original news release images, and a comparison to the NASA /JPL image used in "Ringmakers of Saturn" by Dr. Norman Bergrun. Following the images is the actual news release as published by NASA in 1981. No comment need be made regarding them, as they pretty well speak for themselves, demonstrating the composed nature of the material.

link giving proper credit...





This is the ORIGINAL NASA/JPL image P-23876C composed from 4 Voyager 1 images.

reply to post by 1nL1ghtened

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I am not too convinced of Tibble's explanations. As what he says..

In my opinion, and supported by evidence detailed below, the image used in Ringmakers of Saturn is a composite image created from 4 separate Voyager I images, and used by NASA/JPL in a news release compaing Voyager I & II images.
www.anomalog.com...

So? A composite image will not result in anything remotely resembling this image...



Cheers!

[edit on 10-9-2007 by mikesingh]

Walter Vincenti: Maybe John knows him; the french article claims that Norman and Vincenti revealed the existence of the pics.


Guy Tarade
sebastoc.free.fr...

The caption of the pic claims that Guy Tarade drawed it,
but now we know it isn't so (thanks to Jonh Lear for his efforts)
and the copy he keeps in his left hand looks to have been copied by a book
(RMoS ?).


In according to what Bergrun wrote in response to John's request,
this guy may have (somehow) published the pics somewhere
(i know it isn't so much, but is anyway a step).

The pic that John asked the permission to post, is not this:


but plate 5 on page 17.

mikesingh,

So? A composite image will not result in anything remotely resembling this image...

i guess that the pic which anomalog was talking about
is the one that 1nL1ghtened previously posted... (btw, Great work, 1nL1ghtened )




[edit on 10/9/2007 by internos]

Originally posted by mikesingh

And what's this 'streak' across the rings?

The image was taken in visible light by the
spacecraft's narrow-angle camera from a
distance of approximately 1.4 million miles
(2.3 million kilometers).
Image courtesy: NASA/JPL/Space Science Institute

That's a nice picture. I've got the false colour composite of the same thing that makes it clearer, but it's in the other HDD which I've disconnected from the PC. But from that picture you can see that the streak is actually behind the rings. In false colour image, you would've instantly recognized it as Saturn itself, or rather, her outline. It looks that way because Cassini was capturing it at a very artistic angle, with the rings in the foreground and Saturn in silhouette behind it. Truly beautiful shot.

The ones above are the so called "shepherd moons" that seem to maintain the shape of Saturn's rings through their small gravitational influences. I forgot their names, but I'll try to look for it later, along with the colour composite.

Edit: Sorry my bad, the shepherd moons are within the rings, specifically within the gaps. Those things are either "transient clumps of dust" or little "icy moonlets". In other words they've no idea exactly what it is. However they've provisionally named it S/2004 S 3 and S/2004 S 6. It's probably what they say it is, but speculate away until they actually name it something more creative

Also, the known shepherd moons and inner satellites:

• Pan
  
• Daphnis
  
• Atlas
  
• Prometheus
  
• Pandora

Oh yeah, one more thing,



Not exactly the colour composite I mentioned, but you can see the similarity.

[edit on 10-9-2007 by Beachcoma]

reply to post by Beachcoma

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Thanks Beach! I wish you could get hold of that color composite. It sure must be worth the trouble getting it back, what?

Cheers!

I found a wider-angle shot of the B&W above.



You can see the shadows cast by the ring-system on Saturn, and the bright band between the shadows is actually sunlight passing through one of the ring divisions.

Still looking for the colour shot, I'm really not up to plugging in the HDD. It's an old IDE, meaning I've got to look for the cable AND turn off the PC. No!!

Originally posted by internos

Walter Vincenti: Maybe John knows him; the french article claims that Norman and Vincenti revealed the existence of the pics.

In the Acknowledgments section of his book, the Ringmakers of Saturn, Norman has this to say:

"To Dr. Walter Vincenti, Professor of Aeronautics and Astronautics at Stanford University, special thanks are given for his valuable suggestions at the final phase of the manuscript."

What ENGINEERS Know

WALTER VINCENTI has had whole careers both as a cutting-edge aeronautical engineer and as a leading historian of technology. Looking back over them, he discusses what his dual vantage point has taught him about how technological innovation works.

AN INTERVIEW by ROBERT C. POST

www.americanheritage.com...

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