posted on Sep, 9 2007 @ 11:05 PM
I emailed Norm Bergrun for permission to post the photo of the ship in the rings of Saturn as published in the book The Ringmakers of Saturn, the
Pentland Press, Edinburgh, LOCCCN 86-81530, ISBN 0 946270 33 3.
Permission was denied.
In his fax to me this afternoon Norm (in part) said,
The two pages faxed to you (the French article) were sent to me from France in 1997. The diagram on the second page you will recognize as Plate 27
(RoS) which the French used without my permission. They also translated the book into French and tried to find a publisher. Never could find out
whether they succeeded or not.
One post (ATS, “Gigantic Alien Craft Photographed by Cassini NASA’s Coverup Blown” says the following “I’m a little confused. Is the French
article claiming that the photo with the three cigar shapes is real, or is that an illustration for their article?” The answer is: “The photo is a
‘kluged-up” image primarily based upon Ringmakers of Saturn Plate 27 page 50.”
Norm goes on to say that he has been trying to protect his intellectual property ever since the publication of Ringmakers of Saturn. He said “I
suggest you post a blurb that tells where the French got their idea, refer them to and have them, on their Nav bar, click on the book back cover. The
image shown is a latent image that was hidden in a NASA Voyager image because of a very dark background. Details and answers to other thread
wonderments are disclosed in the RoS book.”
Norm closed by saying:
“Thank you for bringing the web item to my attention.
I guess that I should have asked Norm for permission BEFORE I mentioned it on the thread.
Please accept my apologies for any inconvenience this has caused.
I know that many on this thread and other threads feel that it is ‘their right’ to know and view this information about their solar system not to
mention the universe.
They feel that if someone has information that they should not be trying to ‘make a buck’ off it; that the information belongs to all of us.
That may be.
Or if they are trying to ‘make a buck’ off it the information is not really true.
There is no denying that this has certainly happened in the past and will continue to happen. It doesn’t mean this is true for everyone.
It certainly isn’t true for Norm Bergrun and the information presented in the Ringmakers of Saturn. And I am certain of that.
I try to share as much as I know about it despite the thousands of questions that I cannot answer, and most of it for which I cannot offer any
I post what I think is true and you can take it or leave it.
If the government had wanted you to know all of these things they would have told you. Nevertheless many search for the truth anyway.
And despite what one poster said, “John doesn’t really believe what he says”, I really do. At least the things that I post. I really believe
there are at least several space stations in orbit about which we know nothing. I believe that we have been mining on the moon and Mars for many
I believe that space vehicles under the operational control of Air Force Space Command and other U.S. Government entities go back and forth to the
moon every day with the same ease that a business jet flies from Vegas to Albuquerque. Or any other city.
I believe that at least some of these vehicles operate from normal runways and do not have to be launched by rockets.
But for reasons unknown to us this information has been kept secret since the late 1950’s. And will probably be kept secret for ever. I say ‘for
ever’ because I see too many projects in place that will obscure what is really going on. For instance the current NASA moon project to go back
there in 2020.
Are they kidding? No. Its all part of a gigantic and well organized coverup. And under no circumstances which includes disclosure, threats by
Congress, request by the President will any of this ever become public knowledge.
A few weeks ago a few of us got together, me, Zorgon and a few others and we discussed how much we (the public) knew about government secret
After some discussion we decided that on a scale of zero to a hundred, zero representing that we knew absolutely nothing, to one hundred which
represented that we knew everything the government was doing that we knew between .5 to .8 of one.
Since I posted those figures several weeks ago I have come upon some additional information that would cause me to revise those figures. I would like
to revise the scale to zero to one thousand. But I am still keeping the .5 to .8 of one to represent what we know.
There are many that do not share my views and to those I can only say I understand.
I can also say, “If you only knew.”