Originally posted by 11 11

I guarantee you my research goes far beyond reading and posting.

I'm sure you've put a hell of a lot of time into this. Way more than I did. I read that article, read what ummo posted here and then did a little research on the few things he told us and the reporter and then I looked into the folks who verified his story. All told, I didn't bother looking into his background until the Times piece was posted. In other words, all the researching you need can be found in the article and the posts.

As I said, I know. You don't have to believe me. That's fine. I doubt if I would either but I do know and I do ask that, in the event that you do figure it out, you remember that we do not post the names, addresses etc of people on the site.

happy hunting.

Originally posted by 11 11
I can't see a real movie special effects guru making these videos, as there are far to many cut corners, and to many flaws, and to much visible laziness.

what makes you think the person or people involved are special fx gurus? Even if they were, what if the point of these vids was to get found out? what if they were test runs for version 3.0 - the St. Barth's Ufo? You're looking into this the wrong way.

Originally posted by 11 11
A true professional may already have access to hundreds of different 3D models, and environments. I don't see why they would cut corners and just use Vue 6, unless they were not truly professional.

If I am correct, I am pretty darned sure I am, then they are professionals and I have seen some other work by them.

Originally posted by 11 11
I don't know, but I'm sure I will soon.

I'm sure you will too, just keep digging and researching, it'll eventually come to you. Or someone else will out the individual(s) and it will get more press. Not me though.

Originally posted by Crakeur
I'm saying I know, with 99% certainty the name(s) of the individuals involved with the DR and Haiti videos

OK, I'm reeling here, anyone feel free to answer this
He said he was responsible for four video’s, has anyone nailed down the other two by date and time to see who the OP's were? If I wasn’t on dialup I would try I find out myself (and may still)

well, I listed 3 you tube video members that all posted vids with the same elements. I'm sure there's a fourth if we search for it - he mentioned brooklyn, no?

Originally posted by 11 11
LA Times David Saron = The Hoaxer

you are so wrong and it's getting old. you haven't got a single shred of evidence to lay this claim to. just the LA Dave thing and I promise you it's a coincidence.

as to that convention, other than seeing the names of two mass murderers on the speaker list (David Berkowitz and Jim Jones), which gave me a good laugh, there's nothing linking LA Times David to LaDave of the video claim.

Once again, I will say that I know the names, the company that employs and I have even seen three of their other clips, along with the short film that got them hired.

You're wrong 11 11. Plain and simple. If you have proof, put it up. If you don't, why don't you email David at the Times and ask him questions. Apparently, he has no qualms about answering questions, so long as he protects the identity of the real creator(s) of the videos.

your hunch is nothing more than that. If you focus on the reporter, you'll get nowhere. Read his article, follow the clues he gives regarding the creator. It will lead you to the source. If you think the source is made up, then you are in for a big surprise but you will, first, have to open your mind to the possibility that you are wrong about the reporter. You are. move forward and you might get the answers you seek.

Otherwise, you'll spend an inordinate amount of time barking up the wrong tree.