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Originally posted by Tibris
Originally posted by Wirral Bagpuss
Swiftly moving on for a moment. I'd like to ask a question! has SETI pointed their aerials/dishes/antennas towards this star system and if so has anyhting been picked up offically or otherwise?
I don't know, I was under the impression SETI was not pointing there stuff at binary star systems because (as far as we know) life can't develop in them.
[edit on 16-7-2007 by Tibris]
Originally posted by johnlear
Carl Sagans job was to keep the publics attention pointed billions of light years in space. He did a nice job.
Who took Sagan's place on the Working Group (or whatever they call Majestic these days) after he passed away?
I don't really see anybody lately with his kind of common popularity, appearing on the Tonight Show, etc.
Originally posted by johnlearThanks Byrd. Your opinion is noted and respected. And I also note that you are continuing to use Wikipedia as a sole source of information. Professional and scientific courses of study do not allow this as generally anyone can post anything on Wikipedia. It is not noted as a scientific journal of any sort.
Regarding your opinion (posted as fact) "Not pseudoscience... outright wrong," I actually held one of the pieces of Element 115 and was there when Bob and Joe Vaninitti conducted the Alpha Particle experiement with the bell jar, dry ice and Coleman lantern mantle. We videotaped the Alpha particles being diverted down to the small piece of Element 115.
To those who say this might have been a magic trick concocted by Bob: sure fooled me. Just one question though, "How do you think he got the Alpha Particles to emit from the mantle and turn left?"
Originally posted by johnlear
We videotaped the Alpha particles being diverted down to the small piece of Element 115.
Am I right in my guess that you were simply told that this substance was "Element 115"?
And what size was the thing, anyway (and color)?
They felt sorry for the nigar and didnt laught at their storry.
Sorry for my english its not too good. Im not rasist.
Originally posted by Diplomat I wouldn't believe anything regressed from hypnosis from some old lady named Betty Hill. Do you really think she could "remember" what some star map looked like inside of a spaceship enough to conclude that it was indeed Zeta Reticuli?
Originally posted by Diplomat
And also John, if I am not mistaken, scientists on Earth can't even get Element 115 to remain stable for more than 1 second, so how can you say any of Lazar's claims about the element hold any water?
Originally posted by Sunsetspawn
A lot of debunkers quickly turn to this as evidence that Lazar is a liar, and it is these debunkers that are NEVER to be trusted. Using the quick decay rate of the lab created Uup to debunk Lazar is either totally dishonest or quite a bit ignorant. And even some of the ignorant debunkers are dishonest because they debunk things while being well aware that they don't know what they are talking about.
The isotope of Uup that was created had 173 neutrons and an atomic weight of 288, and the predicted stable isotope of Uup should have 184 neutrons and an atomic weight of 299.
Originally posted by SunsetspawnI'm not saying that one should believe Bob's story because of this, I am saying that the 115 should neither be used as evidence for nor against Lazar. I am also saying that when a debunker uses the instability of the lab-created 115 against Lazar then that debunker is either promoting an agenda or protecting his own paradigm.
Originally posted by Diplomat
The only conclusion that would support Bob's side is that Element 115 is an actual naturally occuring element in solar systems other than ours. But just how exactly are we supposed to believe that?
Originally posted by Diplomat
The entire argument boils down to the same thing: It is Bob Lazar's word against the word of Earth's scientists. So decide who you want to believe...
Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by Byrd
Am I right in my guess that you were simply told that this substance was "Element 115"?
Thanks for the post Byrd. Apparently you aren't following any of the threads on Element 115. Let me respectfully suggest that you do 3 or 4 minutes of research before jumping in. Thanks.
Originally posted by Diplomat
The only conclusion that would support Bob's side is that Element 115 is an actual naturally occuring element in solar systems other than ours. But just how exactly are we supposed to believe that?
Our knowledge of Element 115 on Earth tells us that it is not stable and cannot be milled and used as spaceship engines.
The laws of physics don't change in different solar systems in the universe.
Since you have never been to another solar system I assume that what you are stating here is an opinion. In fact, Sleepers opinion is that all laws of physics change when you leave this solar system.
I would believe Sleepers opinion to be more accurate than yours for no other reason than the display on your respective avatars. No offense.
Thanks for your opinion and your post.