Your first red pill - what was it???

Originally posted by PapaHomer

Originally posted by bothered
So, I guess by questioning involvement, and making these claims as you say...I'm conducting my own form of terrorism?

Actually, you are totally missing my point. I'm saying that if the the US did have a hand in the 9/11 attacks, why is Al-Qaeda trying to take the credit?

Actually, The Base aka Al-Qaeda have been plain-visible enemies since the invasion of the most Holy Mecca Point, old Babylon-Modern Day Iraq. The said there would be an attack greater than each of the previous attacks. From embassies in Kenya, to USS Cole, and definitely including the first attack on the WTC with a truck bomb.

I'd rather think their current strategy in a mock-up effort of US govs' inefficiencies are quite effective at the new recruit level.

They claim it, because they did it. We glanced over the other attacks, because no one would dare you know, no way. But, after the sky line changed, I guess they had to admit to something. And yes, Pres. Clinton did indeed insist on a missile strike prior to 9/11, for which I commend him. As to the ones who said no one would attack someone as might as America, well, I guess they are eaves dropping this also, and flagging it I'm sure. ..."Click!Click!Click!...Someone's making sense!"...

My red pill.
Watching the towers fall. We had just had an impolsion here, not too long prior, and the images were fresh in my mind.
I was on 3 way with two of my best friends, we were all watching different channels at this point, to pass information from the different networks, just in case someone got a scoop.
I don't remember if they were talking al-Queda attacks at that time or not, I just remember the first tower falling in absolute SHOCK!!
You have to understand, I LIVED in Philadelphia at the time, I remember the Meridian One Tower fire..
I KNEW in my heart, in my GUT that the first tower should not have fallen. We were even talking about the Meridian fires, and saying, well, they're going to have to gut it, but it shouldn't be too difficult for them to put the towers to rights.. that the mian problem was going to be getting tenants, and then the first tower fell.
When the second tower fell, exactly like the first, mirroring the implosions I had seen only weeks ago..
I KNEW something was NOT right.
It had nothing to do with initial reports. I know how wrong those can be.
But I remember HEARING small explosions in the distance, while both towers stood, people coming out the buildings saying they heard explosions.
This was the raw live feeds..
And then nothing.
I remember the look on the face of The Shrub, as he was told that we were under attack.
He must have been taking lessons from Ronnie, because that SS coiuld have been telling him, "Sir, we are out of toilet paper on AF1, would you like Scotts, or Charmen", which was the extent of concern he showed on his face.
Little things, here and there..
I remember, I wish I didn't, but I REMEMBER the we pulled it vid, as it happened.
Let me tell you, I have asked about 100 different fire fighters in 5 different cities/townships.. NOT A SINGLE ONE says pull it.
Pull out, yes, not pull it.
That pull it comment never, NEVER sat well with me. It NEVER sounded right.
All of these red pills..
But the first, the very first was watching the first tower fall, and thinking, this isn't right. Something is wrong here, this just isn't RIGHT. The stunned disbelief, because I knew what I had just seen.
And there is nothing that anyone can say that will make me change my mind.
I saw a building fall, I saw it fall into itself. I saw hundreds of people die. And it was not the work of a plane crashing into that building alone. Someone, something helped the towers fall.
I may be crazy, but I am not stupid.
I never watched any of the tube or google vids until I joined this forum last year, because 5 years had passed, and somehow we were at war with Iraq chasing Saddam, instead of nuking Afghanistan to get that effer Bin Laden, and I needed some answers.
I just felt I was the only one.
Even when talking to my friends.. Didn't you SEE the towers fall in on themselves. Why did Building 7 Fall.. How come no one sees these things I wanted to scream, and I am the fool that were pink sunglasses, so if I saw them through my haze of pink and sunshine, how come no one else saw it?
I started looking and one link lead to some place that lead to some place else that lead to here.
And I found hundreds that had, (for the most part) taken off the rose colored glasses, and were seeing the truth as well.

Caustic Logic and Bothered-

Thank you both for taking the time to read through my post.

Caustic, it is scary to find someone else who thinks that 9/11 Conspiracies would have made a great psyop for anyone with an anti-US agenda. To the posters who believe in the conspiracies, do not read this as if I were calling you someone with an anti-US agenda. You have your beliefs, I have mine, but I won't change mine until someone can come up with proof that the US had an active role in 9/11. As to what I'll accept as proof, please look at my post on page three of this discussion.

Bothered, I'm right there with you that the US dropped the ball along time ago. Personally, I think it goes back to the fall of the US embassy in Tehran and our(America's) piss-poor response to that situation. 9/11 should have been a red pill for America to wake and realise that we have allowed our bureaucracy to effective render us impotent and inept at dealing with threats to our nation.

Just my $0.02

I'll agree that we are not only defenseless, but the pompous tushies would probably at this point fling the gates wide open: "Nothing will happen to me, I will it not!"

Originally posted by PapaHomer
If 9/11 was a government job, why do Al Quaeda still, to this day, claim responsibility for it?

I really would like to know where you got the belief that Al Quaeda claimed responsibility for 9/11. Do you have a source for this? To the best of my knowledge nobody ever claimed responsibility for 9/11 and especially not Al Quaeda. Please tell me your source(s) for this belief.

Fear and terror spread not just by those who hate your ideas of tolerance and acceptance, but even greater fear of your own government whose job it is to protect you from such threats.

The belief that your guberment is there to protect you - one of the most wide spread and most ridiculous myths out there. In fact many refuse to believe that 9/11 was created by their own guberment simply because they can't get out of that frame of mind, the dumb idea that Washington is there to protect you.

But let me put it in perspective for you. Imagine for a moment that you are a single mother named Cindy. You have a young son with diabetes and a very expensive regiment of medications to keep him alive. A lot of diabetics have to pay in excess of 400$/month for their meds. Now Cindy works at Wall Mart and she needs every hour she can get to pay for her son's meds. the cashier supervisor is a good friend of Cindy. they often go out for a coffee or a drink and they break together. Her super knows she needs the hours so she gives her as many as possible. then there is the store manager. He knows Cindy from working with her, he knows she is a good cashier because the cashier supervisor told him so. But the store manager and Cindy are not friends, they have never gone out for coffee together. Then there is the district manager who supervises over 10 stores. he comes in 2-3 times a year and he has no idea who Cindy is, he has hundreds of cashiers under his supervision, he can't even remember Cindy from his prior visits. Then there is the state manager, there are over 50 store in his state so you can bet that state manager has no idea who Cindy is. Now think about the Wall Mart head office, these guys don't care at all about Cindy, they see her as a number on a book with thousands and thousands of other numbers. the head office has recently decided to bring in new cashing machines that allow the customers to scan for their own purchases and pay for them without the help of a cashier. Now they might save a dollar a day from replacing Cindy by that machine but it will put Cindy out on the street and leave her son without his life saving meds.

Do you think the Wall mart head office guys worry about Cindy's son? Of course not, their decision to switch to a machine and increase profits is in fact part of their legal obligations to make money for themselves and their investors and shareholders. Cindy's son dies and nobody in the head office is ever going to notice or even care, they will all sleep well tonight knowing they have made money for themselves and their investors.

Well, your guberment operates in a very similar manner, they don't sit around in their offices worrying about you, worrying about your safety and your welfare. In fact they worry about their own profits, their own welfare and their own power hungry needs. They worry about those who provided millions to their election campaigns ..... you and Cindy and the other 3,000 people who died on 9/11 are nothing but a bunch of ants they see from their high towers.

Still people like you will keep wrapping themselves in the reassuring idea of a guberment worried with protecting you. And this ridiculous myth is one of the few that keeps you from seeing what's really going on all around you.

Somehow the pResident attacks Iraq and Afghanistan because he wants to protect your freedoms but all the while completely removing your freedoms from under you with the Patriot Act and other fascist laws and you can't see the paradox in all of this!

Cheers,
PepeLapew

Building 7 sealed the deal for me but my first WTF moment was the squibs on the buildings. Then ya see that there was no air support, hijacker passports found intact on the ground, insider trading, everyone in the new york hearing bombs all over the place, drills on the same day emulating the exact attacks even on some of the same targets. Its too much!

By the time I got out of bed I think everything was all over with so I didn't get the "blow by blow" effect everyone else did.

I remember when they started saying it was OBL I was think, how can you know that? It's a surprise attack but less than a few hours later your already sure it was OBL ? It didn't make any sense.

Then years later I saw some of the Pentagon photographs.

And that's all she wrote.

Well I was a good little sheeple till I came on here really. Pentagon looked a bit dodgy I suppose. The WTC collapses look suspicious, I just don't particularly want to believe that the US government did it.

Although I think UA93 was probably not shot down.

MY RED PILL

Was just in 2006, oh Mooore's movie in 2004 let me know things weren't just right, but I bought into the lie like most.

What really got me was I had started to look at google top 100 video's, and one day there was 9/11 Mysteries. The first part got to me because the guy who made it said he had watched another movie, and wanted to disprove it, but then he couldn't, so he made his own movie. This is when I first heard about WTC7, nice for the media to not even include this in the news beyond 9/11.

That was hook that opened my eyes, then I spent about 300 hours on the internet reading everything from every truth site which eventually led me to this site which I signed up with late last year.

THE BLUE PILL
Just like that guy in the Matrix who rather be plugged in eating fake steak, some today can't bring themselves to take the red pill, they keep on choosing the blue pill on purpose, denial with purpsoe to protect themselves from the nightmare, that the truth will bring to them.
Which is, some element of the US goverenment killed 1000's of it's own people in a false flag op on 9/11, whcih lead to the Iraq conflict, where 10's of thousands have died.

When the first tower fell, I looked at my wife and said 'that looked like a controlled demolition'... then all the explosions being reported then all of a sudden not reported, that's what got me started.
So far here's my working theory...

Originally posted by twitchy
Well for what's it's worth, here's my working theory so far...
Motive...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Premeditaion...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Method....
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Suspects...
www.cooperativeresearch.org.../11=israel

Que Bono
www.abovetopsecret.com... (thread is 'in the works')

I think what really sealed the deal for me was when I heard about the power down, marvin bush, and the bomb sniffing dogs getting pulled off the job the same weekend before 9-11.

not sure really,i guess flight 93 made me a little suspicious with the lake of debre and small hole

When they claimed they did not know it was going to happen, Thats when i questioned it.

for me was the morning it was all going down, i turned the news on right after the first plane hit when it appeared to be an accident, the after that 2nd plane hit...whoa...that changed my life forever. i started getting suspicious as the day went on and how quickly anti-terror experts were on the air and seemingly had it all figured out. the day after 9/11 all the reports of bombs going off disappeared. but as soon as they started pointing out the cia history with Afghanistan and al qaeda i knew right then something much much bigger was going on. the years since then i have been reading everything i can about it and i think for anyone to read up on cia involvement alone in 9/11 and terror attacks before that should be more than enough proof that our government was behind it. i stopped believing our government cared about the people even years before 9/11, even more recent events like katrina showed that.

Thanx all for your participation in this thread. It seems many who almost never post got out of the woodwork and posted here. I've enjoyed reading all your replies. Fees great to know we are not alone eating red pills.

Cheers,
PepeLapiu

in any crime you look to the one it benefits.

when first happened i was getting off of work. I t was 6am in my timezone and i was listening to NPR. When i got home i turned on the internet and saw the second plane hit on msnbc. after the second one hit i knew it was a terrorist attack. I didnt have TV at the time and the internet was really slow due to all the usage. I loaded up half life and no one on the server was playing and they were all talking about the pentagon.

i went back to the internet and looked for a breaking news story rather than video. I confirmed the pentagon was hit and thats when my stomach sank. i figured there would be an attack in every major city, and i was living in Phoenix AZ at the time so i was screwed. nothing for hundreds of miles around.

when no other attacks happened i realized that someting was up and started looking for the ones who would profit from this endeavor.

it certainly wasnt afghanistan or iraq, and thats who weve punished for it so far.

Yo PapaHomer,
You were asking for a proof of 9/11 being an inside job so i found one for you:
Here it is: www.youtube.com...
This is a compilation of all the available footages of the demolition of WTC7. look at them carefully and watch it a few times at full screen size.

When you look at it, it is absolutely obvious and unquestionable that WTC7 was taken down by explosives which would have to have been placed inside before 9/11.... No questions about it.

But for people like you realize this requires that you also accept that your TV is lying to you, your papers are lying to you, your radio stations and your guberment are all lying to you. This is just too difficult to accept for most people so they just convince themselves that the building collapsed by accident.

As proof of 9/11 being an inside job, it doesn't get any better then this. But let's face it, if I had a video file of Bush and Cheney saying "We admit we did it all" you just wouldn't believe it, you would tell yourself it's all a fake video. Besides, if I had such a video or such a proof, I wouldn't live long enough to click the "send" button.

Just look at the video link I sent above and ask yourself why neither the NIST report, nor the FEMA report nor the 9/11 Commission report discuss that building's collapse. In fact, ask yourself why after 9/11 nobody in the mainstream media would ever mention that building again as if it had never existed.

Let me know what you think.

Cheers,
PepeLapiu

[edit on 31-7-2007 by PepeLapew]

This is going to sound so freaking silly but here goes. There is a show I watch religiously during the summer. It's called Big Brother. It's now in season 8. At the time of 9/11 it was in season two. Basically there are 14 people stuck in a house together and they are cut off from the outside world. No phones, no tv, no newspapers, no internet, no magazines, they don't even have writing utensils. It's run by CBS and it's on a studio lot in Studio City.

For the first say 15 hours on 9/11 CBS NEVER told the houseguests that America was under attack! What, terrorists have INVADED our country and they didn't even bother to tell these people. One of which was a doctor in the house. Dr. Will Kirby. What if he wanted to leave and help out at ground zero, like so many other volunteers. Why, on God's green earth would CBS keep this information from them?? Didn't add up!

They did finally tell them, when and only when they found out that one of the houseguests cousins was in fact in the building when it collapsed. They had NO INTENTION of telling them had they not gotten that information from a family member of the affected houseguest at least, not until the finale when they crowned a winner, which is last week of September every year.

Why?

When the attacks happened, I was still an avid CNN, MSNBC viewer, believing that it was the way to keep well informed. For the first couple of months afterword, I was of the mind that we should just deport those nasty, foul smelling Arabs and lock down the country. I was even supportive of national ID cards to identify those who didn't belong here. Reports of other nationals accusing the US of complicity were taken as foreign America hating propaganda.

Then....I got a broadband connection for my computer. While surfing around one day. I stumbled upon this website 911research.wtc7.net... Having been educated in science, including physics, the details of the rate of collapse, the pyroclasitc flow of concrete dust, the pictures of the massive core columns under construction and the fact the no steel girder building in the history of skyscrapers has ever collapsed from hydrocarbon fires opened by eyes.

Since that time, I have continued researching the different aspects of the story and obtained Mike Ruppert's book, "Crossing the Rubicon, the Decline of the American Empire at the end of the Age of Oil." In it he discusses not only the 911 atrocity, but government involvement in the international drug trade and the concept of Peak World Oil production.

This answered the nagging question of why they would do it. While the concept of the timing of when peak world oil production will occur (if it already hasn't) is subject to debate, it is a geologic certainty that it will happen. BTW, total world oil production is down 1MBD from 2006 leading some credence to the supposition that the peak has passed.

Deperate times call for deperate measures and the PTB are going for broke. The coming changes that will be forced upon us from the ever growing world oil demand/supply imbalance will curtail the perpetual economic growth supporting our current economic pardigm, fractional reserve banking system and energy intensive lifestyle.

The GWOT, with all its permutations, is an attempt to control remaining world oil resources and transport choke points and to deal with the coming domestic civil unrest do to energy deprivation through decidedly authoritarian means.