Real Talk about White Privilege

Originally posted by Deus_Brandon
Are we not in the 21 st century .... Let it go bro .... let it go ... it has been 20 years ... There were alot of things that were different then ... We just begin having Color TV's ... People were wathcing TV IN BLACK AND WHITE STILL ... Shouldn't that be enough Excuse !!!! Anyways ... I don't know why I didn't just say this in the first place ... Totally DEBUNK this .. White's have prvledges ... I am 23 ... Just got engaged ... Me and my fiance' can't get a loan for a house ... So we are living in an Efficiency apartment right now in which we pay $350 a month for ... I cannot get financed without a cosigner ... Yet, my black friends have no problem getting financed for a Home Loan .... Actually two of them SPECIFICALLY ... have HUD grants ... www.hud.gov... ... It is total BS that I cannot get a loan that is close to that .. I actually went to a bank and spoke with a lady ... that does this type of thing all day long ... She said it should be no problem to get a FHA loan from the Government for a First Time Home Buyer ... Yet ... I still had to check that little box that she said had alot of affect on the loan ... And yes ... It might as well read White ... check here ... EVERYONE ELSE check here ... I am so privledged ... Pretty sad I have been working this job for 4 years and can't get anyone to finance me a house so I am stuck throwing my money in the trash ... (RENTING) ... yes, I am so happy I am white .. Actually I wish I was full blood INDIAN .. I would really have some awesome oportunities such as Casinos ... or GRANTS .... or Free School ... .... I think this thread should be change ... Real Talk about Indians Over Privledged ................


So the 80's huh ???



You are an idiot but then again you are 23. Ya know its called getting out on your own, school of hard knocks and all that. I should break out the world's smallest violin for you and play a dirge on your behalf. I have heard rants like your before and it just reads like a self centered pity party to me. You have no clue as to what really being discriminated is all about do you?


[edit on 6-3-2007 by grover]

Originally posted by FlyersFan
ATMs, stores, restaurants ... it's all the same. People who are getting money from an ATM or who are paying in a store or restaurant deserve privacy and space while doing so. When people around me take out their money to pay, or take money out of an ATM, or WHATEVER .. I give them plenty of space and privacy. It's common sense and it's good manners.

Please.

You're STILL attempting to equate these things. It's COMMON SENSE that you stand well away from someone at an ATM. Your insistence on bringing up ATM leads me to think you don't think I have enough sense to know this or that I'm up to something.

I'll explain the event in question I referenced (the latest one, anyway).

3 days ago, I had called in an order at this restaurant. When I went to go get my food, a white woman was at the register. I got in line behind her; at this point, I'm about 4 feet behind her.

She's taking a while with her order, so I made it a POINT to put more distance between us. So, I moved to the side about 3 feet. Now, I'm standing farther away from her and not behind her.

As she finishes her order, she stays at the counter. The MINUTE she goes for her purse, she casts a quick glance at me and moves the same distance I had moved from her away from me. I stand there, annoyed that I've been labeled a criminal, as she pays for her food. I don't move a muscle until she leaves.

This was the straw for me. I said, "F- it. If people treat me like this, I'm going to have fun with them." So now I do what I described earlier. You think me doing this is bad, but consider that I've had a number of times to do this in THREE DAYS!

And as far as elevators go .. no one goes into an elevator and gets cozy with the people inside. When ever ANYONE goes on or gets in .. everyone makes plenty of room. NO ONE likes to get cozy in an elevator. It's a 'my space' thing ...

You are looking for problems where there aren't any. I think you WANT to be treated badly just so you can go and 'scare a white person' and get all giggly about it afterwards.

White privilege strikes again. You have denied my reality because it doesn't fit into the norm, i.e. white America. And, since you have said there IS NO race issue here, you are right. I'm wrong, despite living this. Because, as the articles note, there is only a race issue at hand if white people say it is an issue.

WRONG. I wasn't referring to that at all. That's the SECOND time you have done this. You get all riled up thinking someone says something .. when they don't. Remember the comment you made - that you would smack me because you thought I said you didn't take care of your kids? You were wrong then and you are wrong now. Wonder how many other things you are wrong about that you think are 'OBVIOUS'. Probably plenty.

YOU said people move away from you all the time.
Common sense says it's YOU that is the problem.

There you go again. Denying my reality. Saying that it's MY problem I am treated this way. Saying that I stink so bad, people smell me from 20 feet away, so THAT'S why they go the other way. Never mind that I'm a fan of Axe body spray and daily showers.

Behave however, you want .. but it doesn't make white people look stupid. It just makes you look like a racist punk. Whatever. Enjoy yourself.

No, YOU'RE wrong. And, you're using white privilege again. You're ignoring the racist treatment I've received, poo pooing it as me over-reacting, yet I'M the racist because of how I now respond. So, the person who is racist to me is NOT racist, because I'm the racist for getting pissed off and reacting the way I now do. Gotcha.

Thanks for an insightful lesson in white privilege, FF! I look forward to your next lesson for me.

Let me just say on the standing behind people thing. It isn't just a black/white thing.

I'm 6'4, 285 I was voted most likely to blot out the sun in HS.

When I'm behind people I have to make a conscious effort to not get too close, they always have this look like I could snap them in half and take their purse from them. Men, woman, its all the same with this.

At an ATM its far more intense for them. They watch movies and tv which show people dieing right after pulling $40 bucks out. If you get with in that little box they freak. I once stood behind a guy who was bigger than me and he gave me a couple glance over to see if I was a threat.

So don't feel like the Lone Ranger on this.

PS I've had plenty of black women cover their purse as I stood behind them in lines.

[edit on 6-3-2007 by Royal76]

www.uncf.org... ---- the United White College Fund ... Not sure this would go over so well ... But hey We have it .... (JUST A SIDE NOT ... IS MINORITIES A DIFFERENT WAY OF SAYING anyone BUT WHITE PEOPLE ???) or just another way to say BLACK people ? Just asking cause it says this so many times on that WEB SITE ABOVE .... CRAZY )

BET --- Basic Entertainment Television for Whites ... Hey ... not sure this would go over so well either .. BUT HEY WE HAVE IT ....


Why is it everywhere I go when I search for grants or Scholarships or HELP from the "WHITE PEOPLE GOVERNMENT" such a PRIVLEDGE ... LoL ... that they all say Minorities really big ???

No, YOU'RE wrong. And, you're using white privilege again. You're ignoring the racist treatment I've received, poo pooing it as me over-reacting, yet I'M the racist because of how I now respond. So, the person who is racist to me is NOT racist, because I'm the racist for getting pissed off and reacting the way I now do. Gotcha.

Racist treatment amounts to people giving you "glares and or glances" and people moving to avoid you in the elevator and on the street?
Well at least we are making progress as you haven't been lynched or strung up yet. I suppose you would call me racist if we met on the street or in an elevator or at a cash register in line; I am a believer in personal space and not violating others "space". I am interested to know if you get the same looks and treatment from people of the same race as you.

Originally posted by truthseeka
As she finishes her order, she stays at the counter. The MINUTE she goes for her purse, she casts a quick glance at me and moves the same distance I had moved from her away from me. I stand there, annoyed that I've been labeled a criminal, as she pays for her food. I don't move a muscle until she leaves.

You know what's wrong with this? It's based solely on your subjective interpretation. You chose to be labeled a criminal in your mind.

Maybe the poor lady had passed gas, and in her embarassment, wanted to put as much space between herself and everybody else. Lots of things could have been going through her mind. Maybe she had been robbed last month. How do you know what ws going through her mind?

For you to say that your take on the situation is the only valid one is silly.

Originally posted by shooterbrody

No, YOU'RE wrong. And, you're using white privilege again. You're ignoring the racist treatment I've received, poo pooing it as me over-reacting, yet I'M the racist because of how I now respond. So, the person who is racist to me is NOT racist, because I'm the racist for getting pissed off and reacting the way I now do. Gotcha.

Racist treatment amounts to people giving you "glares and or glances" and people moving to avoid you in the elevator and on the street?

You know, I've heard this type of argument so many times here. "Tone of voice", "dirty looks", "body language". These are supposed to be examples of racism. All of them unprovable, and just a personal interpretation.

People have to realize that you give off vibes, and if someone sees a scowl on your face instead of a smile, they are likely to react in a negative manner. Iow, maybe it's something that you are doing that makes people react that way.

Originally posted by jsobecky
You know what's wrong with this? It's based solely on your subjective interpretation. You chose to be labeled a criminal in your mind.

Maybe the poor lady had passed gas, and in her embarassment, wanted to put as much space between herself and everybody else. Lots of things could have been going through her mind. Maybe she had been robbed last month. How do you know what ws going through her mind?

For you to say that your take on the situation is the only valid one is silly.

Riiight.

She JUST happens to fart as soon as she goes in her purse. Sure. Gotcha. While you're considering "maybe's," the ONE "maybe" you choose to ignore is that she really thought I was going to steal from her. Why is that?

Originally posted by shooterbrody
Racist treatment amounts to people giving you "glares and or glances" and people moving to avoid you in the elevator and on the street?
Well at least we are making progress as you haven't been lynched or strung up yet. I suppose you would call me racist if we met on the street or in an elevator or at a cash register in line; I am a believer in personal space and not violating others "space". I am interested to know if you get the same looks and treatment from people of the same race as you.

You're apparently not a believer in reading posts.

I specifically said that I MOVED to give the lady space. Did you miss that? Yet, that didn't stop the racist tart from acting like I was going to jack her.

And YES, I would call you a racist if you did the same thing she did, AFTER I gave you plenty of space.

Originally posted by jsobecky
You know, I've heard this type of argument so many times here. "Tone of voice", "dirty looks", "body language". These are supposed to be examples of racism. All of them unprovable, and just a personal interpretation.

Of course.

This explains why those SAME points you mentioned ARE used to define sexual harassment. By your logic, a woman who claims she was sexually harassed is being over-sensitive.

"Maybe he was looking at your chest because you had some lint on your shirt."

"Maybe he grabbed his crotch because he was itching, and he just happened to be facing you when he did this."

"Maybe he talks in a low, husky, sexual-sounding voice when he's whispering."

Please. I already said I wasn't born last night.

Iow, maybe it's something that you are doing that makes people react that way.

It wouldn't be right for a supporter of white privilege to NOT use it in cases like this. The white who does stuff like this is NOT to blame; it's the black/other minority who is to blame. There's something WRONG with a minority who complains about stuff like this. Iow, you have just denied my reality because it doesn't fit into the "normal" reality.

Fine you just go through life thinking that you are not privleged and then maybe one day you will grow up.

I have met alot of people that are Just plain OLE' LAZY ... and know that thier government check is coming in and they don't have to work ... The funny thing is that if they do go out and get a job they are not allowed to make over a certain amount which in turn makes them almost Stay under CONTROL !!! .... If you want change go on a campaign for people to get off this FREE money and start working and I garuntee that some of them could get out of poverty .... HEY ATLEAST THEY ARE GETTING THE BUDGET PART DOWN !!!! I AM NOT SAYING ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ARE BLACK .... BUT I have met more MINORITIES on this program .. Cause once again The white man does not have this Priveledge ... Now maybe a White Female with a couple kids ... Especially if the Races of the kids are mixed .. O you hit the jackpot !!!

Originally posted by grover
Fine you just go through life thinking that you are not privleged and then maybe one day you will grow up.

And YES, I would call you a racist if you did the same thing she did, AFTER I gave you plenty of space.

Gee guess you have the definitive definition of plenty of space. If your basing your opinion as to if someone is raceist on the looks they give you and the space granted on the elevator or in line for a cash register then you really have problems. Again I ask if you get the same looks,and movement from members of your own race?

[edit on 6/3/2007 by shooterbrody]

Sounds like you are jealous to me.

Originally posted by shooterbrody
Gee guess you have the definitive definition of plenty of space. If your basing your opinion as to if someone is raceist on the looks they give you and the space granted on the elevator or in line for a cash register then you really have problems. Again I ask if you get the same looks,and movement from members of your own race?

[edit on 6/3/2007 by shooterbrody]

Don't pretend like YOU didn't stress space in your last post, with your "gee whillickers, plenty of space" rhetoric here. Like I told becky, women allege sexual harassment for LESS; are THEY paranoid, too?

As for your last question, NO, I don't. In fact, I usually get what's entitled to me as a US citizen from blacks who are strangers: a sense of belonging. You see, most strange black men give me a greeting, ESPECIALLY the old school black men. And, it's NOT some fake, tight-lipped smile; it's a genuine greeting. As for the black women, a lot of them (okay, some ) give me the eyes, in a good way. The more shy ones just say hi.

NO black person has moved away from the space I put between us to count their money, crammed themselves against the wall of an elevator, or crossed the street when I'm 20 feet away from them. The WORST thing they've done is just walk past me.

So if a white person feels he`s been discriminated against, he`s an 'idiot' and he needs to 'grow up'.

And yet white people are the haters and oppressors?

Keep posting, Grover- you`re making my points for me.

Don't pretend like YOU didn't stress space in your last post, with your "gee whillickers, plenty of space" rhetoric here. Like I told becky, women allege sexual harassment for LESS; are THEY paranoid, too?

I didn't stress anything in my last post. STRESS,STRESS,STRESS,STRESS.....hmmm see any of that....no you didn't,.
Unless your a mind-reader(in which case I would recommend a thread at ATS) you don't know what thoughts are going through peoples minds when they make these "offensive" gestures. Have you ever asked any of these alledeged raceists why they moved away from you or looked at you sideways?
Case in point....

I specifically said that I MOVED to give the lady space. Did you miss that? Yet, that didn't stop the racist tart from acting like I was going to jack her

Truth just what are the actions of a racist tart before being "jacked". Do you know these actions from personal experience? Were you the "jacker" or just a passerby? Surely you wouldn't have assumed what those actions would be, would you?

As for your last question, NO, I don't. In fact, I usually get what's entitled to me as a US citizen from blacks who are strangers: a sense of belonging

Looks like your whole problem(IMHO) can be remidied with some self esteem excersizes.
en.wikipedia.org...

Self-Esteem needs: Maslow described two kinds of esteem needs- the need for respect from others and the need for self-respect. Self-esteem entails competence, confidence, mastery, achievement, independence, and freedom. Respect from others entails recognition, acceptance, status, and appreciation. When these needs are not met, an individual feels discouraged, weak and inferior. For most people, the need for regard from others diminshes with age because it has been fulfilled and the need for self-regard becomes more important

Truth, please allow me as a "white" person, to offer you a hug. Not all "white" people hate you, some just mildly dislike you.
Like I asked you pages ago....Why do you care what anyone else thinks about you?

Originally posted by truthseeka
You see, most strange black men give me a greeting, ESPECIALLY the old school black men. And, it's NOT some fake, tight-lipped smile; it's a genuine greeting. As for the black women, a lot of them (okay, some

) give me the eyes, in a good way. The more shy ones just say hi.

So black men say hi to you, because you are black? And whites walk by you, or give some fake, tight-lipped smile, in a gratuitous fashion, because you are black? A lot of emphasis on your skin color here. Maybe whites walk by you, as they do plenty of other whites, because they are busy. Are you trying to say that blacks do not walk by you without acknowledging you at all? Or is it that you only focus, or emphasize, on the whites. Because if a white person does it, they are most certainly a bigot.

Originally posted by truthseeka
NO black person has moved away from the space I put between us to count their money, crammed themselves against the wall of an elevator, or crossed the street when I'm 20 feet away from them.

Have you ever heard of perception? You are a bright person, so certainly you have. You seem to focus on the color of your skin, so maybe you are perceiving these events in a light that is undeserved. When I go in an elevator, I go to the corner. Even if there are only "Whities" in the elevator with me. When I walk down the street, I give others who are walking in the other direction, plenty of room as we pass. If I do this to a white person, it is fine, but if I do it to a black person, I am a bigot?

Originally posted by truthseeka
The WORST thing they've done is just walk past me.

Do you not see how much you are playing this "black" card. Why do you think they walked passed you because you are black? Maybe they are busy, in a hurry, talking on a cell phone, etc. Does every person you meet on the side walk greet you? My home community was always very pleasant and kind. If you walked down the side walk, it was normal to say hello to every individual you passed. Yes, even the black people. Then I moved to Calgary one summer, and for the first time, experienced a whole new culture. Greeting others on the side walk is apparently low on their pole of things to do. When I would say Hi, it was returned with some of the dirtiest looks I have seen. Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc, all gave me dirty looks for saying Hi to them.

So you base your claims here on the fact that "White" people ignore you on the side walk. Personally, I think that is a weak excuse for an insecurity within yourself. You have tried hard over the last few weeks to indicate some "inner demon" of the white population. What I have seen, is you acknowledging the inner demon that exists with you . You assume people ignore you because you are black, and they are white, that is racism.

[edit on 7-3-2007 by chissler]

Originally posted by truthseeka
This explains why those SAME points you mentioned ARE used to define sexual harassment. By your logic, a woman who claims she was sexually harassed is being over-sensitive.

Except that sexual harassment is an offensive move, and your perceptions are about some lady's defensive moves. She is reacting to you, not the other way around. You need to see that distinction in order to understand her reaction.

Iow, maybe it's something that you are doing that makes people react that way.

It wouldn't be right for a supporter of white privilege to NOT use it in cases like this. The white who does stuff like this is NOT to blame; it's the black/other minority who is to blame. There's something WRONG with a minority who complains about stuff like this. Iow, you have just denied my reality because it doesn't fit into the "normal" reality.

I would bet that people's reactions to you have everything to do with your own body language and facial expressions, just from reading your posts.

And please, truthceeca, stop it with this "denying my reality" drama. Take it to Oprah or Dr. Phil.

I am white and I am male and I have never in my 51 years felt discriminated against because of either.

I also grew up in the south in the 60's and I have seen discrimination first hand and it is not pretty and it is not right.

That is why I tell deus to grow up and stop whining. He has no clue what he is talking about.

There's nothing more pathetic than a white man in America whining about his lot in life.

Give me a bloody break.





[edit on 7-3-2007 by grover]