I'll address the above posts one by one by poster.
First all new posts by BigMoser.
How far up do those poles go? Think we can draw a wireframe canopy roof and "get rid" of that blur?
I believe Jack Tripper = Lyte Trip or Merc = narrator of the PentaCon video, somewhere in the posted here Loose Change link, to their forum thread
mentioned the height of the inside canopy roof to be 20 feet, which is 20 x 0.3048 = 6.01 meter high.
You can't get rid of that blur, the FBI inserted it on purpose, to hide probably some things they could not explain, since they were convinced by
"them" that the plane flew south of the Citgo. But you could draw one, a blank one I suppose you mean.
A wireframe canopy roof does not much good yet, since we first have to deduct the light path angle made with the shadow of the left canopy roof
And that is not so easy as it seems from my posted Judicial Watch screenshot above, since there are some difficulties with that, not visible at first
glance. The light path from car to camera is the hypothenusa of a triangle formed by the height of the centre of the camera lens to the ground, the
ground level, and that hypothenusa.
Thus it is not in the same plain as the shadow of the canopy roof rim, that one is in the plain of the ground level area.
The more and more I watch this footage, the more I think that the "car" we are referring to looks like a pickup type truck.
I don't think so, im my opinion it is a black and white police car, which first came driving into the Citgo, which has only one combined
entrance/exit btw, then drove up under the canopy at the Dual Pump side, drove through slowly and stopped behind there somewhere. It waited a few
minutes (all not recorded by the camera), then drove on again to the left around the canopy, and came back in camera view again, driving slowly to its
point of standstill. It also had a warning light bar on its roof.
Just throwing this out there, but could the sun's reflection become naturally from the car/truck itself as it did move (note 1) at the split
second it flashed. Maybe the plane has already passed (note 2) by the time the flash occurs (judging from Dark's 2nd picture). I'm still not sure
about those split second shadows on the south (note 3) pump at 4:41.. They pop up then disappear, but seem like they . to wards the pentagon.
Now I'm starting to believe that the plane was PAST [note 2) the Citgo by the time the reflection occurred, thanks to Darkbluesky for the estimate
sun reflections, since
Lagasse: "I saw it, then I heard it" (note 4)
And after everyone heard (note 4) the deafening sound, they then rushed to see what happened.
My notes :
1. The car didn't move at the moments the flash occurred.
See my explanation above with the static
white stripe on the car, adjacent to the black canopy pole, through all 9 frames.
The flash lasted 9 frames in the WMV file. And the WMV file plays with (29), in fact really 27.7 (see Statistics of WMV file), frames per Second. (And
I suspect the real rate offered by the FBI to be even lower)
Thus 1 frame lasts 100 : 27.7 = 3.61milliseconds. Then 9 frames last 32.49 milliseconds.
That's a flash during 32.5 milliseconds. Roughly one third of a second.
If the car moved, it must have moved damn slow, which is unlikely. Any normal car would move faster when the brake was released a bit for an automatic
brand, and even faster when the clutch was released a bit for a gear box brand.
Plus, you have to take in account the intensity of the flash, compare it to all the less intense sun flashes coming off other cars which followed the
same route in the earlier part of the video.
2. Then the plane must have flown faster than the speed of light.
3. We are following in this thread, the 3 witness statements, who saw all, that the plane flew north. And at that position, that plane can NOT throw a
shadow anywhere near the south pump. Any shadow would have occurred even much more North. Case closed, now you're sure, -IF- you believe the 2
4. You forget a few things.
Doppler effect (not so important here), speed of PLANE and speed of SOUND.
If a plane flies officially by with 857 km/hr, and the speed of sound is 333 meter per second ( for exact speed of sound at that altitude at that
airpressure, see f.ex. WikiPedia), we can do the math :
857,000 meter : 3600 seconds = 238 meters/second. In 1 second the plane moved 238 meters on its flight path.
The plane's flash lasted roughly 1/3 of a second, thus the reflective surface must have been roughly 238 :3 = 79.3 meters long, if that surface
passed the sun beam reflected onto the car.
But that length calculation works only if the camera which recorded it would have been a very expensive high speed one, which we are sure it
So we are left with a big part of the flash retaining in the VHS tape as a ghost picture, I assume.
Thus the 79.3 meter length is somewhat moot as any form of exact calculation from this clearly doctored video.
We don't know exactly what the FBI doctored in this video, and at what levels.
That's why I realize that exact calculations based on the properties of this specific video are in fact lost time.
I'm only left with the strong notion that the FBI analysts left that flash in, since it was on the "wrong" side.
If we assume the plane was flying on the flight path drawn by the 2 police officers, see this photo :
Then the plane was roughly 150 meters away from Lagasse at its closest point on its flight path to him.
It took the sound of the 2 jet engines 238 : 333 = 0.71 second to reach the ears of Sgt. Lagasse.
In that time it moved already 238 x 0.71 = 169 meters. (roughly, considering all unsure data)
So, yes, he probably saw it first, then heard the jet engines roar past him.
Darkbluesky, you are right, the reflection must have come from a surface on the plane following roughly the angle of the thin blue line you draw there
in your first photo. (Your drawn canopy shadows in an earlier photo are out of sync with the real position of the sun at that moment, but not much,
the corner shadow must be about 1.5 meter more to the left, east position on your photo with your drawn in rim shadows. Compare the position of the
police car with the corner of the shadows in my clean Jud.Watch screenshot).
Looks awfully much like the angle of the right plane wing's front rim, which is a thick, rounded white reflective surface.
That means the police car was standing in the exact right position at those split seconds, to reflect the sunlight from that wing front rim via the
police car to the inside canopy roof, to the camera.
To be honest, I do very well realize we have here a few possibilities which need a damn long time to concentrate on defending or opposing, like :
1. The flash could be a direct one from the sun on a part of the car. No plane involved.
2. The flash could come from an object on the elevated roads further in the distance. No plane involved.
3. The flash could come from a different flying object than the plane. A plane involved, chased by ?...
4. The flash comes from the plane.
I already introduced many thoughts why I think it is option 4.
Plus the timing of the flash, all people involved to be seen in the video, start reacting after that flash.
Which is of course one of the strongest points that the plane caused the flash, if you accept the testimonies.
Let's finish off with a few remarks from all participants in this flash theory, and then concentrate on the police officers testimonies.
Luckily a lot of our posts will have covered a lot of what is to be discussed further on.
And the drawings and photographs are damn helpful for the rest of this PentaCon discussion.