I’m coming clean on Extraterrestrials

Thankyou for the answers Sleeper they were extremely interesting.

Sleeper I admire your stance however I also sympathise with those on this board who want some form of proof, or at least development with your experience.

Dont you feel that displaying your story over the internet and this thread only adds to the confusion and quagmire which is Ufology? Rallying off snippets of the 'truth' is potentially diluting your experience, leaving many members pondering.

Without any true substance to this thread we might as well be shaking a crystal ball and waiting for an answer.

Dont be the master of your own downfall

Kolo

Agreed Hank. Greer does or doesn't work for the NSA (and Springer- you know he couldn't post at the NSA, but I understand why you brought up that good point of posting at a home IP so it's on the record).

It really doesn't matter if he works there or not in terms of where this thread will go (it does matter in terms of his credibility). He can say it is all bs until the cows come home, and what does this do? Nothing.

I think most can agree that, A- most government/military employees have no clue what is going on pertaining to this information. And B, does the NSA even deal with this type of subject? I thought that was DNI but maybe i'm wrong.

Fall of Satan

12.1 the devil began to cry with forced tears and the devil told Adam, "O Adam, all the greed and the anger and all the grief of my heart are directed against you because it was through you that I fell from my dwellings, (it was) by you that I was alienated from my own throne. My wings were more numerous than those of the Cherubim, and I concealed myself under them. Because of you, now my feet walk on the earth, which I would never have believed."
12.2 Adam replied to the devil and told him,
12.3 "What is my fault, by which I have done all that to you?"
13.1 The devil replied to him and told him, "You did nothing to me, but it is because of you that I have fallen upon the earth."
13.2 The very day when you were created, on that day, I fell from before the face of God, because when God breathed a spirit onto your face, you had the image and likeness of the divinity. And then Michael came; he presented you and made you bend down before God. And God told Michael, "I have created Adam according to (my) image and my divinity."
14.1 Then Michael came; he summoned all the troops of angels and told them, "Bow down before the likeness and the image of the divinity."
14.2 And then, when Michael summoned them and all had bowed down to you, he summoned me also.
14.3 And I told him, "Go away from me, for I shall not bow down to him who is younger than me; indeed, I am master prior to him and it is proper for him to bow down to me.
15.1 The six classes of other angels heard that and my speech pleased them and they did not bow down to you.
16.1 Then God became angry with us and commanded us, them and me, to be cast down from our dwellings to the earth. As for you, he commanded you to dwell in paradise.
16.2 When I had realized that I had fallen before you,[B, "by your power] that I was in distress and you were in rest,
16.3 then I aimed at hunting you so that I might alienate you from the paradise of Delights, just as I had been alienated because of you.
17.1 When Adam heard that, he cried in a loud voice and said, "Lord, my life is in your hands. Make this enemy distant from me, who desires to lead me astray and seeks to destroy my race. It is by him that Eve has been lost."
17.2 At that moment, Beliar became invisible.
17.3 As for Adam, he remained in the water and did repentance. But Eve had fallen upon the earth like one dead. Then she stood up from the earth (ground?)

www.pseudepigrapha.com...

www.thelostbooks.com...

Here are some other thoughts about God and Aliens, why we are here and what we are meant to be created for.

There is a supreme bieng in charge of all things. There are other biengs with other agendas involved as well.

Does that make any sence sleeper? Or am I just misguided by a superior bieng?

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Originally posted by johnlear
So, you are correct. This is not a thread for rational thought or for that matter, conventional wisdom. I respectfully suggest you take them elsewhere. Thanks.

I don't know about you....but I find that extremely funny.

*pretend "Deputy Fife" voice*

"Nothing sensible goin' on here....move along......

Originally posted by johnlear
So, you are correct. This is not a thread for rational thought or for that matter, conventional wisdom. I respectfully suggest you take them elsewhere. Thanks.

And I would respectfully suggest you keep your theories about the mining operation on the moon and breathable atmosphere in the designated johnlear forum. That's what its for, and that's why I avoid it. Thanks.

As much as you would like it to be otherwise, this thread is no more a platform for YOUR theories as much as it isn't a platform for Scientology. We are SUPPOSED to be discussing sleeper's subject matter, not yours.

Hey Sleeper,

Let Milton know that if he speaks to my "guide" that I'm ready. I'd really like for him to come and see me.

I think "he's" been close before, but probaby got scared off by my wife's night terror she experiences....

Thanks.

Originally posted by greerISaFraud

p.s. Yeahright, care to inform everyone how I have been proven to be false?

The only info I have to go on is what's been posted in the thread. My attempt in the comment was to differentiate between someone who is deliberately prevaricating (which you may not be, for all I can know) and someone who is. It's not up to me. My point was, if someone is KNOWN to be hoaxing, that's very different from someone relaying info for which there is no proof. And if Springer's incorrect and I caused you some grief with my comment, I apologize.

p.p.s. I am not currently posting from headquarters, nor will I EVER because I am not a total moron. Now don't bring my name up again and I won't post in this thread.

I wouldn't have brought it up this time if you hadn't asked me a direct question. I'm done if you are.

Yeah I did attempt to hijack the thread but I stopped after realizing I was wrong...

With that said Hank:

"You have voted HankMcCoy for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have used all of your votes for this month."

Thanks for standing up to aggressive hypocrisy.

I sure hope he didn't read Dianetics upside down.

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And thanks again John for not answering my question...




[edit on 30-1-2007 by IamnomanasIamallman]

Originally posted by observe50

Sleeper,I was told long ago something similiar as you have written:
I was told that the human brain can not hold to much information at one time and that we needed to be programmed slowly.

Hi 50

It depends on the person, some are fast learners, some are slow learners and some are no learners. The brain can hold a lot of information, more than anyone would ever need for this lifetime

Originally posted by i_want_to_believeSleeper,
Did Milton ever tell you if there is a supreme being (e.g God) or is just spiritual creatures like himself?

By the way thanks for telling us all your story!!

Hi want to believe,

There is a very large energy that emanates from the center of the universe but Milton doesn’t say one way or the other what it is.

Originally posted by win 52
Here are some other thoughts about God and Aliens, why we are here and what we are meant to be created for.

There is a supreme bieng in charge of all things. There are other biengs with other agendas involved as well.

Does that make any sence sleeper? Or am I just misguided by a superior bieng?

Hi 52,

I’m not here to tell people what to believe in, I’m telling my experiences and what I have learned about the galaxy we live in.

What people believe doesn’t change any of that---and it will not affect them in the big picture unless they take their beliefs to the extreme and become martyrs.

Belief in a god or lack there of are not paramount to what we are and where we will go---a shining soul moves up and a tarnished one moves down.

It’s really that simple.

Originally posted by IamnomanasIamallman
Sorry John, I couldn't resist, the above argument you two are having is too much.

Let me just say this gem of wisdom someone once said to me, it isn't verbatim, but close: "Constant battle against something, with constant failures, makes you turn into that which you battle."

Now i'm not saying you have constant failures- that would be idiotic- but I will say you seem to take elitism to a new high. What is the difference between the evil bad guy in his throne chuckling about others demise and you on your computer chuckling about how much more information you know than the majority.

What is absolutely scary about this entire thread:

A) The information, for the most part, is entirely correct. The philosophy is crappy, but I already addressed those concerns.

B) John likes elitism-- you're the typical intelligent tough-guy who thinks he knows everything and gains tremendous satisfaction in having the "upperhand". While that is ok to a certain degree IN perspective, you sell yourself short. You slam the door on new possibilities because the "aliens" didn't say it is their idea/grandscheme. You also shut down a lot of people negatively. You get away with your attitude (and I don't mean just on ATS) probably because of your amazing aviation career and balls... there I said it. Wish you'd lighten up though while still being effective.

C) Sleeper-- the real deal. I'm 95% sure about this. There are certain things you just don't figure out by exploring. And further, everyone here recognizes-- or should recognize, the terrible shape Earth's inhabitants are in. With that said, you can't deny the importance of his mission: lay a UFO-knowledge foundation-- just might stir the pot in a good way.

What is absolutely scary, is that no one here (besides me) thinks it is wrong to put us all in jail here. You silently agree by not talking against this. The aliens have no more credence than we do. We are all made of the same material, the soul.

So again, the famous question John and Sleeper can't answer:

What if ET was wrong to put us all in prison?

Not "what if" it is fact that they are wrong for imprisoning you. People like sleeper and lear exist to manipulate the large mass searching for truths. You my friend have the right to have what you so deeply desire without some alien getting in your way telling you what you can and can not do.


PS. Sleeper made a comment about souls like me being destroyed is such a joke. I was done posting here until I seen that stupid comment.

Anyway IamnomanasIamallman you should watch out for lears and sleepers manipulative patterns. Don't let sleeper get you down my friend.

This thread is very entertaining, and I will chime in only because I think greerIsaFraud is being misused pretty badly.

Calling him out as a fraud in this particular thread is like shouting "slut" at a porn star convention.

I don't know sleeper and I don't know Mr. Lear (other than his impressive history as an aviator, which I respect immensely), but I just don't understand how they've been given a "get out of facts free" card while others are beat down and publicly flayed by site administrators for implying something that is 100% more plausible than 99% of the stories that are shared here.

It's wrong.

If you're going to live on the fringe then you need to be a little more accepting of your neighbors.

So Springer, if you decide to ban greer for his comments on this thread, I would respectfully ask that you ban me too. My opinion of the universe differs pretty drastically from those of sleeper and Mr. Lear, and if those two have been established as unquestioned pillars of truth here on ATS, then I would count myself among the lucky to be unwelcome here.

Manipulated? How is anyone manipulated by reading a post that says - "these are my experiences".

Sleeper is telling what he believes to be a real experience.

How is there any manipulation in that?

How a reader interprets it - has nothing to do with Sleeper.

Originally posted by IamnomanasIamallman
I hope he didn't read Dianetics upside down.

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I would like to make this one thing clear. I didn't read Playboy for the articles. I only looked at the pictures.

Sleeper, you said that every planet in the Solar System is inhabited by people, in 1994 a comet named Shoemaker-Levy crashed into Jupiter. I remember watching it on TV. Wouldnt they do something to prevent such things happening as it puts people who live there in direct danger.

Thanks.

Unacceptable post removed by staff.

You will not talk to other members in this fashion. This is the first and only warning.

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Originally posted by Zerodown
This quote has been sanitized by Djarums

I find this line to be in bad taste. Insinuating that bisexuality is in some way 'nasty' (Not infering that Mr. Lear is bisexual, merely pointing out that Zerodown did) is offensive and should be removed from your post.

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-- Zerodown... you had me rolling. But let's be serious.

Sleeper is a little younger than John. And trust me, no matter how much you want to paint a picture of dirty old man, John would never do that. You can make fun of his message and opinions, but please don't attack his character.

Reminds me of that old Jesus adage... "father, they know not what they do." Yes their philosophy sucks-- but we can't sink to that level ok?

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Originally posted by HankMcCoy

I find this line to be in bad taste.

Actually, that may be a bit limiting. The entire post was in bad taste. Which of course reflects upon the poster much more than it does his intended target.

He who smelt it...