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"I myself have seen, and have testified that this is the Son of God." John 1:34.
“No one has seen God at any time; the Only Begotten Son who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.” John 1:18.
“For in Him all the fullness of Deity DWELLS in bodily form . . .”. Colossians 2:9.
“Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself THROUGH Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, that God was IN Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.” 2Corinthians 5:18+19.
“For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who said, "Light shall shine out of darkness," is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the Light of the KNOWLEDGE of the GLORY OF GOD in the face of Christ.” 2Corinthians 4:5+6.
Elijio >> With all due respect you have bigger fish to fry. Read your bible again, but this time read it as if it were a normal book write down all the actions and suggestions of God in the old testament and tell me you think that is God does he act like an all powerful all-knowing being?
Elijio >> Examine his behaviour and be critical. I'll get you started, he's a jealous God, consider the implications of this.
Elijio >> Is jealousy a trait that a perfect God would have? Many people are worshipping a perverted image of God. God can't sin...
Elijio >> Sorry to be a bit off topic.
Originally posted by Terral
Next time please ‘quote >>’ something from my statements you wish to correct. That way we can read your words in context to what has already been presented in this debate. GL.
Originally posted by Elijio
God can't sin...
Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Jesus was the SON of God, not God. That should be enough to suffice. Terral,I actually agree with you on this one.
Originally posted by queenannie38
Christ the prophet Son of God and the Torah (law manifest) Daughter of God.
The Groom and the Bride.
Wait and see.
On account of the reality of the authorities, (inspired) by the spirit of the father of truth, the great apostle - referring to the "authorities of the darkness" - told us that "our contest is not against flesh and blood; rather, the authorities of the universe and the spirits of wickedness." I have sent this (to you) because you inquire about the reality of the authorities.
Their chief is blind; because of his power and his ignorance and his arrogance he said, with his power, "It is I who am God; there is none apart from me." When he said this, he sinned against the entirety. And this speech got up to incorruptibility; then there was a voice that came forth from incorruptibility, saying, "You are mistaken, Samael" - which is, "god of the blind."
His thoughts became blind. And, having expelled his power - that is, the blasphemy he had spoken - he pursued it down to chaos and the abyss, his mother, at the instigation of Pistis Sophia. And she established each of his offspring in conformity with its power - after the pattern of the realms that are above, for by starting from the invisible world the visible world was invented.
As incorruptibility looked down into the region of the waters, her image appeared in the waters; and the authorities of the darkness became enamored of her. But they could not lay hold of that image, which had appeared to them in the waters, because of their weakness - since beings that merely possess a soul cannot lay hold of those that possess a spirit - for they were from below, while it was from above. This is the reason why "incorruptibility looked down into the region (etc.)": so that, by the father's will, she might bring the entirety into union with the light.
Speaker >> Jesus was the SON of God, not God. That should be enough to suffice. Terral,I actually agree with you on this one.
Elijio >> Ok I know this is dangerous territory but if jesus is the son of God who is his mother? Mary? That would mean if a paternity test was taken Joseph would not be the father? Problem is that Mary's egg would have to be fertilised somehow.
Jesus Christ >> "Truly I say to you, among those born of women there has NOT arisen anyone greater than John the Baptist! . . .”. Matthew 11:11.
“The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! "This is He on behalf of whom I said, 'After me comes a Man [appearance AS A MAN = Phil. 2:8] who has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.'” John 1:29+30.
Elijio >> Perhaps it was done with similar tech to the taking a rib from Adam to make Eve huh?
Elijio >> Another way would be for Jesus to be of both Mary and Joseph's dna( egg+U no wat;( ) but having the soul of the son of god instead of an ordinary soul. Mary was a virgin though so this still means artificial insemination, no?
Elijio >> Then again christians have a male God which is strange because if the God is male then he has a sex and you know what that means. Honestly I wouldn't dare claim that my God has a pepe cuz you can't be male without a pepe. Look how the devil has you blaspheming. lol believing in a god with a pepe
Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Sophia, or wisdom is the "bride" of Christ. Now, the Elohim were the archons of Jehovah. The despisers of men,if you will. Christ originally came from the spirit of the TRUE God to free man from the shackles of the archons. Certainly you are well aware of that, annie.
Originally posted by Terral
Anyone wishing to force Christ into being “born of women” MUST also explain how John the Baptist is greater than the “Son OF GOD!”
Terral Original >> Anyone wishing to force Christ into being “born of women” MUST also explain how John the Baptist is greater than the “Son OF GOD!”
Annie >> At the TIME John said that - Yehoshua was a mortal man - he died, remember???/
Jesus Christ >> “Truly I say to you, among those born of women there has NOT arisen anyone greater than John the Baptist! . . .”. Matthew 11:11.
Annie >> Sons of God do not die! He voluntarily HUMBLED himself and took on the form of a man in order to conquer the reign of the Angel of Death.
“But what does it say? "The Word is near you, in your moth and in your heart"--that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from THE DEAD, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.” Romans 10:8-10.
“For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ DIED for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was BURIED, and that He was RAISED on the third day according to the Scriptures . . .”. 1Corinthians 15:3+4.
Annie >> As a thief in the night he stole their kingdom right out from underneath them....but yet they remained and the result of their influence is the very nature of your teachings, Terral.
Dbrandt Quotes >> John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Dbrandt Commentary >> It doesn't get any clearer than this.
Originally posted by Terral
How are you using this verse?
Dbrandt >> Jesus is God. That's what the verse means.
Peter >> “Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Matthew 16:16.
Mark >> “The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.” Mark 1:1.
John the Baptist >> "I myself have seen, and have testified that this is the Son of God." John 1:34.
John’s Gospel Writer >> “. . . but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.” John 20:31.
Paul >> "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.” Galatians 2:20.
Jesus Christ Himself >> "For God so loved the world, that He gave His Only Begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.” John 3:16.
“. . . do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?” John 10:36.
"And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write: The Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet are like burnished bronze, says this . . .”. Revelation 2:18.
“John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is and who was and who is to come [The Almighty = Rev. 1:8], and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, AND from Jesus Christ [Son of God = Rev. 2:18], the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead[Col. 1:18], and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood -- and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father -- to HIM be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.” Revelation 1:4-6.