Originally posted by BlackJackal
Read a little further in the Surah down to verse 29.
Surah - 9:29 "Fight People of the Book (Christians and Jews), who do not accept the religion of the truth (Islam), until they pay tribute (penalty
tax) by hand, being inferior."
Incorrect. The verse you posted is not translated correctly. I would like to see where you read it from and also who the translated author of the
verse is. The real English translation states:
Surrah 9.29 "Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor
acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves
and in Arabic:
Surrah 9:29 "Qatiloo allatheena layu/minoona biAllahi wala bialyawmial-akhiri wala yuharrimoona ma harramaAllahu warasooluhu wala yadeenoona deena
alhaqqimina allatheena ootoo alkitaba hattayuAAtoo aljizyata AAan yadin wahum saghiroona."
The word used in the surrah for "fight" is "qatiloo." This verse was given to Muhammad by the angel Gabriel when neighboring tribes broke their
peace treaty and declared war on him and the other Muslims. When the verse says to "fight those who believe not in God", it is refering to the
pagans who were attacking Muslims, and when the verse says those who do not "acknowledge the religion of Truth," it denotes "acknowledge" as to
mean "allow worship of". The second part of the verse, about the Jizya tax, I covered in another topic, where I said: "Since Muslims paid Zakaat
(Charity), non Muslims were not required to pay it. Instead the jizya was only for non-Muslim men who were capable of enlisting in the Army, but chose
not to. With the jizya, the men were protected by the Muslims armies in the lands and were not required to fight along side the Muslims. The jizya was
only a protection tax, and only given to able bodied men who were capable of fighting in the army, but chose to pay for protection."
Even in verse 11 it states if they repent they are your brethren.
Repent for their sins, yes. It's a basic fundamental teaching of both Christianity and Judaism to ask God for forgiveness commiting any sins. I think
you were viewing it as "ask forgiveness for not being Muslim," which would not be correct.
If you read the book The Propeht’s Biography: vol 2 by Ibn Hisham you will see an interesting tale of the town of Bani Quayza.
The tribe of Sa'd ibn Mu'adh, was a Jewish tribe that was living in Medina with Muhammad and his followers. Both tribes had signed a peace treaty
with one another known as the "Constitution of Medina." The tribe of Banu Qurayza betrayed Muhammad and the peace treaty twice. The first time, the
Banu Qurayza tribe broke the treaty and sided with the Banu Al Nadir tribe to kill Muhammad. They failed to kill him, but Muhammad still had mercy on
the Banu Qurayza, and allowed them to come back to Medina and have the peace treaty once again. The Banu Qurayza then betrayed the peace treaty a
second time by joining with Abu Sufyan and the Meccan armies to kill the Muslims and Muhammad. This once again was foiled, when Abu Sufyan had been
defeated in the battle of Khandaq. Muhammad was once again asked by the leaders of the Banu Qurayza tribe for mercy and Muhammad allowed them to once
again enter Medina. Muhammad asked them to go a judge for the final decision on whether they will be able to stay for betraying the peace treaty a
second time. The Judge named Sa'd Ibn Mu'adh, declared for there to be a peace treaty once again. Sa'd Ibn Mu'adh was then struck with an arrow
from a member of the Banu Qurayza tribe. Sa'd Ibn Mu'adh then decided that the Banu Qurayza tribe cannot be trusted so he ordered that all those who
fought against Muhammad in the battle against Abu Sufyan to be executed. The boys who reached puberty were executed too because they had also fought
in the Banu Qurayza army. The execution was never for any males under the puberty age.
Love and equality right? I can't remember the story of Jesus Lopping peoples heads off I must have missed that one in Sunday School. Islam
was born out of violence and does have many high points but its low points are off the deep end.
I will not speak ill of Jesus. Jesus is a prophet of Islam as well; we recognize him as one of the prophets of our faith. He lived in a different time
where he didn't have to worry about others amassing armies to kill his followers and take over their homes. Previous prophets of Judaism,
Christianity, and Islam, who lived before him did. In those cases, God instructed them to also kill those who attacked them, the same God Jesus
worships. In Muhammad's time, he and his followers were expelled from their land and were plotted to be killed everywhere they went. They lost their
homes, and when armies were created to kill them all, they defended. Never did Muhammad or the Muslims start the attack. Would you rather he should
have allowed his followers to die, rather than defend themselves?