Originally posted by LostSailor
First off, to understand what I am speaking about you will have to learn to think in the abstract. Drag your nose out of your books and think for yourself for a minute. I am just going to ramble on about my previous night. Maybe you can catch why I don't consider myself to be an "animal."
Yes, you're right LostSailor, once I joined the medical field, I lost all capabilities in my left lobe, I can no longer think in abstract, when I view art, I now see it as a pattern of brush strokes, not as art. Wow, you know me so well. *Sarcasm off*
First, how many animals are able to converse across entire continents, and have a debate on the level that we are now?
How many horses can fly? Does this make them less of an animal? No, it just makes them a different type of animal, as are humans.
Remember, I am not talking about a science book here. I read your posts questioning my thought process, but decided I didn't have the time to respond. I had to get some homework done for my Diesel Engineering class. I Decided I would go over to my girlfriends house, get some work done, and have a few drinks. Hmmmm... Hmmmm... Sweet sweet warm whiskey.
Sorry, but anytime you bring up taxonomy and animals, that is the realm of science, no question about it.
On the way I was thinking about [...] Only the ones that are just below us on the evolutionary ladder.
You're right, humans do have advanced tools and advanced societies because of these tools. This is due to our natural, animalistic evolution producing a frontal lobe, and our natural, animalistic need to communicate and socialize with like beings. Also, how can you say all these other creatures are "below" us on the evolutionary ladder? Environmentally, we are one of the easiest killed animals on the planet because we have tried to remove ourselves from harsh climates and biospheres for so long. The amoeba currently is credited with having the most genes of any creature on the planet. There are more of them than us, and they are on literally every continent. Doesn't that seem like an evolutionary success to you?
The whole idea of me saying I am not an animal stemmed from this comment...
Originally posted by bsl4doc
Actually, one of the first purposes of medicine was herbal abortions. Animals do it, and our ancestors here in Italy and Greece noted which plants the animals ate and used the same herbs.
I don't care if animals do it... I am not an animal in the context that you refer to. My self awareness, empathy for others, higher intelligence, and emotional magnitude separate me from even the closest of evolutionary cousins in the animal kingdom.
Because we are technically animals that means it's OK to act like animals? Do what animals do? We don't have something that separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom? If we do, we don't have an obligation because of this, to act differently than animals?
I never said animal behaviour is a catch-all excuse for our own behaviour. What I DID say, however, in reply to a poster saying we are the only animal who kills, is that this type of behaviour occurs throughout the animal kingdom and is not exclusive to humans. I was merely pointing out that we should look at the natural side of the issue as well. That side being, will this child survive? Animals, including us, have an innate system of self that allows us to quickly determine whether a nearby creature is the same as us or not. If something is wrong with a child, be it a deformity, etc., we can sense it. How do you think a mother knows when he child is just starting to et sick? There are distinct signs that we pick up before symptoms even fully set in. Certain smells, discolorations of skin, etc. These are all animals instincts. When a child is born who will not survive, why is it unnatural to allow this child to die with dignity instead of pain?
Science will always conflict with my thoughts. That's fine... Science is not always the answer. Facts and knowledge are not always the answer. Sometimes you just have to look inside and think for yourself.[/quote[
You know why you can look inside yourself and think? Nature has blessed you with a frontal lobe and the capacity to see self, just as many other animals do. There's nature again, huh. Weird.
You guys asked... I am just trying to explain why i feel the way I do. I never literally meant that I didn't think I was an animal. It was just assumed that was what I meant. I am only a sailor, taking classes trying to upgrade my engineering license. I am no scientist, nor claim to be, or even claim to think like one. But, you can agree with me Right? Agree that there is something that separates us from the rest of the animals on this planet?
No one ever asked you to be a jerk and post unsubstantiated claims of a "higher sense" only you could detect. Also, you "never literally meant" that you aren't an animal? Are you serious? Look at these quotes from you:
Speak for yourself. I am no animal
Am I an animal? No.
On the way I was thinking about why I don't consider myself to be an animal
Wow, so, remind me where I was supposed to pick up on some hidden context where you "never literally meant" you aren't an animal?
Oh well... Go ahead and flame me for thinking the way I do. I will not change my mind. We all learn what we want to from each other. You can dismiss my thoughts if you want to... That's the beauty of being a human being.
Oh, I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm just strongly suggesting you post things that have some, or any, evidence behind them or are within the bounds of reality. And you're right, thought is the beauty of being a human being, but it's quckly being discovered we aren't alone in the realm of thought.
Ciao e buon giorno,
Nel mezzo del cammin di nostra vita,
mi ritrovai per una selca oscura,
che la diritta via e smarrita.