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Originally posted by Eyeofhorus
I am in a FRATERNAL ORGAIZATION, we teach values of honor, love and truth.
I believe that this board is a community, and right now, I would be offended if I was in your lodge.
I have been told, you will know the mason by his true character and his actions. I doubt your commitment more and more.
As far as I'm concerned you have a long way to go spiritually.
Originally posted by Nakash
Hello once more. Nice to see you Masonic light.
Now for you former post(s). Well, first of all, Metatron is indeed mentioned extensively in Kabbalistic and Talmudic texts, however he is not the angel of Death (Raziel ?) but the angel of the Lord (YHWH in his glorious form), Most Talmudic scholars agree to that exegesis (not that I really care- the Talmud is a useless piece of Babylonian commentary which can shed light on certain aspects of scripture, but most often just insults the actual Torah with fanciful blasphemies and fairy tales derived from paganism).
I really can't see Crowley as anything less than a Satanist. Sure he claimed to create a new Religion (Thelema) but we both know his history- Demonic contacts/ posession, odd rituals taken from questionable sources, etc. There aren't any people in little black hoods ala' Rosemary's Baby to my knowledge- most Satanists (ie: Lavey, Crowley, Blavatsky, etc.) often claim to create a new religion (usually derived from some obscure unverifiable source), whose only common aspect is usually an intense hatred of Christianity.
Satan in Gnosticism is usually considered a "God" or a heroe of sorts. You weren't honest.
Anyway, I know that you don't take this stuff in a literal sense, but you get the idea right? You also know that the same thought pattern is present in the Zoroastrian theology Pike loved. I'm not asking you to be a fundamentalist, but to claim that this isn't dark stuff (and of a blatantly blasphemous nature for those who follow orthodox biblical theology) is to kid yourself. I'm not into it but I guess you find it of use in your life.
OK, fair enough, a noble goal (though I'm not ecumenical in my theology, I find this attempt to unite men into a fraternity of brotherhood worthy), however do you understand why some people find this suspicious? Many people within masonry have had a questionable record (ie: our Good Satanist friend Manly P. Hall or others) and since secrecy is quite high within lodges and Masons claim to have NO God (yet use extensive symbolism linked to Satanism- as in Islam, pagan theologies of yore, Judaism, Christianity, etc.), some might deduce that they don't wish to reveal their actual God.
Originally posted by NephraTari
There is no 33rd degree according to the masons.. perhaps this is because it is said that the intiation to 33rd degree is an induction into the Illuminati which would make it technically not a masonic degree but a new level unto itself....
IN my opinion regardless of who made it.. its not really true to the actual rite if such exists.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
I doubt it. It's the tradition of the nay-sayers around here to copy large amounts of gobbledegook from other websites, without reference, and then to ask for a point by point refutation. Then, when we respond, our answers are either dismissed out of hand, or just plain ignored.
Originally posted by Nakash
I really can't see Crowley as anything less than a Satanist. Sure he claimed to create a new Religion (Thelema) but we both know his history- Demonic contacts/ posession, odd rituals taken from questionable sources, etc. There aren't any people in little black hoods ala' Rosemary's Baby to my knowledge- most Satanists (ie: Lavey, Crowley, Blavatsky, etc.) often claim to create a new religion (usually derived from some obscure unverifiable source), whose only common aspect is usually an intense hatred of Christianity.
Originally posted by Trinityman
Actually, you get straight answers all the time. You just don't recognize them as such as you live in a twisty-turny fantasy world full of evil masons and exploding toilets.
33° is an honorary degree of the Scottish Rite. Every 2 years each Scottish Rite organization is asked to nominate 32° members who have served for more than 4 years to be honored KCCH (Knight Commander Court of Honor). Such nominations come from other KCCH members and 33° members in that area. At the same time, 33° members in that area also nominate those who are already KCCH, and have been so for 4 years of good service to Masonry, to become 33°. The rules are that for every new 33° that they honor, they have to make two new KCCHs. And 33°s can only be pulled from the KCCH pool. So to become a 33° you have to have been a member of the Scottish Rite for at least 8 years, done good service for the community and Masonry, and it's in no way a "sure thing" that you'll ever get there because of the way it is structured.
Originally posted by Jkd Up
Um... I thought Masons adimently denyed a 33rd degree...? Perhaps I am wrong but I remember that 32 was the highest and there was nothing more... Hmmm...
Originally posted by Jkd Up
Um... I thought Masons adimently denyed a 33rd degree...? Perhaps I am wrong but I remember that 32 was the highest and there was nothing more... Hmmm...
Originally posted by jayrprofit
reply to post by Ralph_The_Wonder_Llama
I have been around masons all my life, and I have to tell you, all is not as it seems, especially at the top levels. Many, many secrets exist when you move up.