Originally posted by newinitiation
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My position is this. What goes against the immutable natural laws acts as the antithesis to the regularity, harmony, peace, freedom, love and
preservation on which all things in this universe depend on for its existence.
I agree 100% And the Law of Thelema is the immutable natural law. You just don't understand it. One thing to keep in mind is that the Holy Books of
Thelema are not literal book. They are full of allegories and metaphors (so is most of Crowley's writing).
Well here goes, Cug's Law of Thelema for dummies** (As in the book series, I'm not namecalling
)
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law is the most often heard phrase in Thelema. Like I and many others have said before it does
not mean do whatever you want. It means to follow your true Will. This is one of the major differences between Christianity and Thelema, A
Christian follows Gods Will (Thy will be done), A Thelemite follows his or her Will. Everything about Thelema is based around this one idea,
everything.
Every man and every woman is a star. So now if everybody followed their own Will, there will be no conflicts, as everyone has their own unique
path to follow like the stars in the sky. If you should try and interfear with someones will you will be deviating from following your own Will. You
will also be restricting their Will.
The word of Sin is Restriction.
You will find when you start deviating from your true Will, life in general will get harder and less and less enjoyable. I'm sure you have heard
stories of what most people would call a very successful person, say a doctor, lawyer, moviestar, things like that, but are really quite unhappy with
their lives, many resort to drugs and alcohol to make themselves feel better but off they go in a downward slide. Others quit their successful jobs
and become a farmer, a baker, or a potter, a job many would think is beneath them, but they are much happier with their life. That is an example of
someone following their true Will.
Now what happens if say two people happen to think that it is their Will to eat a particular apple? Well, you fight for it.
As brothers fight
ye! but this is not fighting to the death, it is fighting like brothers, basically fighting like say a boxer with respect and honor for your
opponent. If it really is your will to eat that apple you will win. This is not like social Darwinism idea of survival of the fitest. As even a strong
man, will not be able to overcome diverting from his Will. Yep this is a bit idealistic outcome of an extream example. (A football palyer will squish
the average Joe in this case, but he has now diverted from his true Will and the effect on his life will be almost karmic in nature.) But say that two
people both think it is their Will to hold a certain position in the company they work for. They still fight for it, but instead of a literal fight,
they fight each other by working harder, being smarter, and otherwise proving they are best for the position. The persons who's true Will is to hold
that job will prevail.
Again the greatest sin a Thelemite can do is to restrict someones Will. Now sex with a child (who can not give permission) is restricting the child's
Will, Murder certainly restricts someones true Will. You can't call a person who does such a think a real Thelemite and that their actions were
supported by, or approved of by Thelemic documents and groups, just like you can't call a Christian who does the same thing a true Christion,
supported by the bible, or Christian churches/groups. These are disturbed individuals who need to be put away.
On to your next post... But you haven't made any comments so I'm just going to guess what you think is wrong with the quotes provided.
III,43: Let the Scarlet Woman beware! If pity and compassion and tenderness visit her heart; if she leave my work to toy with old sweetness; then
shall my vengeance be known. I will slay me her child: I will alienate her heart: I will cast her out from men: as a shrinking and despised harlot
shall she crawl through dusk wet streets, and die cold and an-hungered. (Book of Law)
First of all this bit is only speaking to one person, Crowley's wife Rose.
I'm guessing the first bit you have problems is the compassion but. Yes commpassion/pity is a Thelemic vice, and really should be. But what is a
vice? Gambling is a vice, yet many people do it, and enjoy it and have no problems with it... Yet some people can't control themselves and their
lives go spinning out of control. Pity/compassion work the same way.
For example, say you had a friend who just separated from his wife, you took pity on him or had compassion for him and let him stay at your place. If
he stays a few weeks then find a place no harm done. But if he starts mooching off you, and never seems to be looking for a place months later but you
don't give him the boot, your pity/compassion has harmed you.
The rest of this like I said was directed to his wife.. it was a prophecy The Crowley's lost their little girl, and Rose ended up committed for
alcoholism.
It is unwise to condemn the practice of savages who tear the heart and liver from an adversary and consume them while warm.
To achieve the highest spiritual working you must choose the victim which contains the greatest and purest force.
A perfectly innocent and highly intelligent male child is the best victim.
Bloody, human sacrifice is best.
Ah yes Chapter 12 of Magick in Theory and Practice. Tell me did you happen to read the footnotes? Is there some reason you have accepted this text as
the gospel truth so to speak but then procede to ignore the rest of what he wrote in that chapter?
This chapter is a combination of two basic things. 1) The historical reasoning for the practice of sacrifice 2) Metaphors having to do with Sex
Magick. Why do you (and others) seem to totally disregard the sex magick part? Like I said many many many times in this thread, male child = Sperm or
more exactlay sperm released in a fashion as to prevent any possible conception from happening. Masturbation, oral and anal sex to be precise, as
people don't seem to get what I mean when I say spilling the seed.
You
must remember the time that this book came out (1929). This was a time when the guy printing the book often omitted any page because it
offended him. And this book was Crowley's magmun opus, he wanted it distributed widely and Book shop owners just would not sell things With sexual
content (that is if the government didn't ban the book first) As for why he used sacrifice as a metaphor for sex. Yep it's odd but I think it looks
worse for those defending the Christian morals of that time that they felt that child/human/animal sacrifice was a more "proper" topic than sex.
excerpts from 'White Stains'
Yep Crowley wrote some sick porno in fact this has been called "the filthiest book of verse ever written". Do you somehow think that this is a
Thelemic Holy book??? You might not like what he wrote, and think his morals were nonexistent and that's is your right. But this is a poem, a work
of fiction, not a statement of fact, or a "guide to proper living." Would you also say that a writer of horror books was a sicko? How many deranged
ways were underaged teenage girls offed in the Friday the 13th movies? Do viewers of these films go out and emulate the actions of Jason? Do the
directors expect people to to emulate Jason?
No! And neither was Crowley
Oh BTW I'm not so sure about your morals.. posting part of a pornographic poem in a place where you know there are children viewing. Poor taste my
man, Those who wanted to view it can easily find it in a google search so there was no need
Holy cow this was my longest post ever. I have 9 characters left of my 8000.
[edit on 6/8/2006 by Cug]
