Originally posted by Cug
Well even if that is the case.. other than the title of this thread, and the GG's mistaken idea. The O.T.O. is not part of the Masons, and the Masons
are not part of the O.T.O.
Yeah i have perfectly realized that the O.T.O. is not exactly the same as freemasonry. And i doubt that this is really important if we are discussing
possible cases of child-abuse actually.
Why shouldn't people who follow the religion of Thelema form groups? Every other religion out there does it.
Well don't ask me. Because I am not religious. The only "religion" I know is music. (Detroit/Techno Philosophy).
The point is not about creating groups or not.. and i dont want to go into all of that religious talk either. I don't have a very positive opinion
about it therefore this would lead to nowhere.
What Dock6 criticised was rather the behavior of people who wish to become a member of a specific group, religion.. or whatsoever.
Who is "you"? Why would they post that stuff? hate and fear of what they don't understand.
You? I don't know as you said the topic is 16 pages long. I would not be surprised if you were one of them. Why would someone always respond in a
negative manner towards suzy ryan? Hate or Fear of what her intentions are? I don't understand why many in here kept picking on her for maybe using
the wrong definition or being angry.. showing emotions.. as apparently she seems to be pretty active and this topic concerns her alot.
Why is defending free-masonry or O.T.O. more important than thoroughly investigating indications of child abuse?
After all it's not the freemasons or OTO who got sued for 30000 australian dollars.
And who defends the children? If they really became victims of child abuse??
Why can't you just step over her emotionally-influenced "words".. Rather than becoming emotionally related to freemasonry or OTO yourselves.. and
defend the "grand whatever" at all costs?
What would you do if someone was basically calling you a pedophile and a murderer? That is what she did to me.
So you would be happy if someone started claiming that the Swiss were all child abusers?
Well if you know it is absolutely not true.. wheres the problem? I really doubt that she said "Cug is a child-abuser!"
And that's exactly the point. You defend some greater cause at all costs. At least it seems so. If someone calls all swiss child abusers I dont care.
Because 1. I'm no patriot. 2. I know it's not true. 3. I don't give a damn about national "generalizations".
It's often a very emotionally blinded statement when generalizations are made.
Money creates justice? How does a group that can't afford to buy a building for it's meetings have money? (and only 12 local bodies even have a 24/7
rental of a space)
Well i guess a group of people certainly has more money than a single couple. Or are you trying to picture OTO as a wellfare charity group of
unemployed people who are trying to realize some sort of re-integration project here?
I really dont know: Maybe they have a lawyer or several lawyers who loves OTO religion? Or maybe they have other connections or important members?
Possibly you can tell us how many members OTO has or what their possibilities/influences look like?
What do you mean by only 12 local bodies even have a 24/7 rental of a space? Because that sounds like alot to me. I have been in socalled "groups"
which couldnt even afford one 24/7 rental of a space. Or am i misunderstanding something?
Well that's obvious. But really how can you expect to understand something by reading excerpts? Especially with the part in question is further
clarified later in the text?
I really can only say that some contents of the OTO book of law sounds very "evil".
And why would that mentor OTO guy (which is only another human.. i know) post pictures of himself with a Satanic book.. picking exactly the same pose
as seen on the Logo of some Child-Charity organization?
But I don't think that we are here to understand OTO-Philosophy. I won't dedicate alot of time to perfectly understand it. And even if i did
understand it. Understanding of the OTO-Philosophy, or the Philosophy itself would be no excuse IF there really IS a case of child-abuse.
Do you understand what i want to say? Don't take this as an offense against OTO or freemasonry. Although some things might seem pretty
incomprehensible, evil or simply wierd to non-members. I am not saying that isn't good at all or absolutely bad. I simply don't know. I have only
seen bits and pieces. Some of them good.. some bad. I can perfectly imagine why some people value some of the positive philosophies of freemasonry,
Ah! An excellent case of misunderstanding, along with a missquote.
As i said. I dont care alot about OTO, you know? No offense meant. It was neither my intention to perfectly quote that excerpt. You absolutely know
what I am refering to.
But maybe you can explain why those negative-seeming excerpts should be interpreted as something good? And i am not talking about cannibalism here.
Which someone refered to regarding christian religion.
It's called expulsion and jail time, and if they do it to one of my friends/family well lets say it's not going to be nice.
And what if they do it to someone's elses family or loved ones? Because you have to know. I don't have any family.. and I dont consider myself as
someone having many friends at all.
But i still care about justice. And i still care and feel compassion if injustice happens. Specially if it happens to children. No matter if I know
them or not.
But you cant play what ifs with peoples lives.
Yep. That's actually not what i want to do. What i want to know is if there really is child-abuse within that area or possibly those circles; And
I'm not talking about something collective here.. I'm sure it would.. if at all.. only be one or some individuals of that group.
And what I don't want to play at all is: "What if OTO-Philosophy is not bad."
Because i frankly don't care. The circumstances, factors and involved individuals is such a complicated topic you could talk about possibly negative
results for ages. Specially if we were (!) talking about some grand belief or religion.