Australian Freemasons win lawsuit against 'whistleblowers' site

You are right bad choice of words. What i meant is that it is strange, (or maybe not - this is what i am interested in), that the OTO hasn't pressed to get their money.

I happen to know one of the persons behind GaiaGuys personally. While their methods may strike some as a bit odd they indeed are very sincere individuals. Pedophilia, and those who secretly promote it, is a serious problem world wide. Sex slave rings do indeed exist and some of you may have seen the special report about it on American TV and in the press. The area of Australia where Gaia Guys live is a remote corner of the world where dark secrets can thrive comfortably. That they have chosen to open themselves to considerable risk in their endeavor to expose a terrible situation only goes to show the sincerity of their deeds.

Freemasons in general, probably have nothing to do with pedophile, but if this local spin off is involved in such crimes then it should be shouted out to the world. If you looked deeply at their site, you will note that a respected child psychologist is also under fire from the same order for her comments linking them to the sexual abuse of children.

The Gaia Guys know something is going on in their neck of the woods and I don't doubt them at all when it comes to local sex crimes against children.

I could tell you more about the Gaia Guy I know, and his military career experience with UFO cover-ups, ...but that is another story all together.

Terapin did the couple loose their property?


Last i heard they were being sued by the Thelma group for their allegations and likely to loose their house and land.

Currently, they are still managing to hold on to their rights and property, but it hasnt been easy for them. Big money has a way of screwing the little guys.

Originally posted by Terapin

Freemasons in general, probably have nothing to do with pedophile, but if this local spin off is involved in such crimes then it should be shouted out to the world.

And what if that local "spinoff" has nothing to do with pedophilia? Do you expect them just to ignore claims directed at them of the most vilest crimes?

I'm know a little bit about Crowley's writings and the practice of Thelema after all I'm a Thelemite. and any way I will swear on my holy books that the way the gg's interpet our holy books and other documents is wrong. Honestly some of their interpretations are so twisted I'm in doubt of their mental health.

If you looked deeply at their site, you will note that a respected child psychologist is also under fire from the same order for her comments linking them to the sexual abuse of children.

You will also note that she recanted and removed the offending remarks from her website a looooog time ago.

The Gaia Guys know something is going on in their neck of the woods and I don't doubt them at all when it comes to local sex crimes against children.

How do you account for their seeming lack of ability to differentiate between the O.T.O. and the Freemasons?

Big money has a way of screwing the little guys.

Big money? You can't really call the O.T.O. big money, the last financial statement I saw they had about $10,000 profit, and the most valuable asset was the Crowley copyrights, but when you consider that a large printing of one of Crowley's books is only about 1,000 copies they don't really see much from that per year. Another thing to keep in mind is the O.T.O. is a small group, the latest numbers are around 3,000 members world wide, with about 100-150 members down under.

Originally posted by Cug

If you looked deeply at their site, you will note that a respected child psychologist is also under fire from the same order for her comments linking them to the sexual abuse of children.

You will also note that she recanted and removed the offending remarks from her website a looooog time ago.

Please show me where she has recanted, I have followed Dr Michaelsons case and I have never seen any evidence that she has recanted what she claimed. She still has a link to their site, on her site.

edit to try and get my comment out of the quote box

[edit on 13/11/06 by tkmelb]

I am still waiting to find out where Dr Michaelson recanted what she wrote. As your answer will be able to help me find out whether everything else she has said is a fabrication........


thanks in advance..........


TK

Sorry for the late reply.

I think recanted was a poor choice of words on my part.

The document on her site that the O.T.O. listed in their case was removed from her site. She also claimed that she did not write it.

Last news was they were in a "confidential mediation session" with her. but that was almost a year ago.

I'm attempting to get some updates on what is happening.

Looks like the case is ongoing as we speak

According to OTO's statement of complaint, Dr Michaelson said it was not a religion but a child pornography and pedophile ring, that its members practised trauma-based mind control, sexual abuse and satanic rituals to discourage its victims from complaining to the authorities, and that it condoned kidnapping street children and babies and children from orphanages for sex and sacrifice in religious rituals

The case began at the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal yesterday, but was adjourned to today to allow a last-ditch attempt to settle out of court.

The article, still accessible on a website run from NSW, suggests senior politicians and television celebrities are part of a top-level pedophile ring and have been protected by some police. It says some members of the ring pretended to support Dr Michaelson's campaign and became board members of her group to subvert it from within.

Adam Paszkowski, for Dr Michaelson, who was named Young Australian of the Year in 1997 for founding the Child Sexual Abuse Prevention Program, said the article was published on the website "without her knowledge or consent or authority".

Source : TheAge.com.au

According to the story I was wrong yet again, The article is still on the website. And it's not quite "recanting" but her defense seems to be "How did that get there?"

From same article

The case began at the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal yesterday, but was adjourned to today to allow a last-ditch attempt to settle out of court.

We can only hope that this doesn't get settled and this horrific case is blown open.

I have no interest in the OTO, it is the other people involved and the Television network that I want to have to come to justice and be exposed for the monsters they are.

Thanks Cug for the link.

Update

In a settlement reached today, Dr Michaelson will attempt to have the offending website shut down and has acknowledged no proof has ever been produced to support the allegations, which caused serious offence to the society's members.

Source: abc.net.au

Thanks Cug.

So do we take from this everything she said is not true, or just her linking it with the OTO was incorrect?

Having researched this, and the people involved- I still believe there is truth to the overall content, but that her concluding the OTO was wrong. Unless she has just recanted to avoid the same decision as the gaiguys got. However if it was true then surely she would have enough evidence to prove her accusations and would relish the opportunity to have it publicly exposed.



Well I am confused

Originally posted by tkmelb
So do we take from this everything she said is not true, or just her linking it with the OTO was incorrect?

Well for me, If her standard of research was so low that she got duped about the O.T.O., What can I assume about her standard of research about anything she said?

It's a case of crying wolf.

As most of it was first hand experience it really has nothing to do with research. If you re-read the article you will notice that to people she mentions she dealt with direct. It wasn't about someone telling her see saw it with her own eyes.


****however it all could now be a pack of lies

Gaiaguys make the same error as a lot of people in equating "Do What Thou Wilt" with "do whatever the hell you like". I'm not an OTO member, but am familiar enough with Crowleys writing to know the key word is always "will', and the task he sets before the individual is to find their True Will, find that true purpose for which you are on this Earth and pursue it with all your might. The one rule: you must not interfere or prevent any other person from doing their true will. Any Thelemite will tell you that a person who wishes to do harm to another has not yet found their true will.
Once this is understood, it is obvious that any of the outrageous allegations they make could never be sanctioned by the OTO.
It is the equivalent of walking past a Catholic mass, overhearing the communion blessing '...take this and eat, this is my body; take this and drink, for this is my blood..." and running off to accuse the Vatican of endorsing cannibalism. They've just missed the whole concept so enormously, its pathetic.
And they really do seem to be genuine - just completely misguided.

[edit on 29-11-2006 by Richard67]

Originally posted by Richard67
The one rule: you must not interfere or prevent any other person from doing their true will.

Great post.. well until you got to that point.

That is not "The one rule", The one rule is "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" period, end of story, that's all folks.

In a perfect world where everybody if following their true will, there will not be any conflict. But this is not a perfect world. Lets say I came upon someone raping a loved one (or anyone for that matter) and I grabbed the nearest heavy object and hit him with it, and he dies as result. I most definitely interfered with him following his true Will (of course he wasn't following his Will in the first place), and I'll be justified in doing so.

If you start adding more rules to the Law of Thelema you sorta start to dilute it's simplicity by adding well it's OK to do it if in self defense, or defending another, or killing Nazi's in WWII, in the end you will just end up with a confusing maze of rules.

I'm not an OTO member, but am familiar enough with Crowleys writing to know the key word is always "will', and the task he sets before the individual is to find their True Will, find that true purpose for which you are on this Earth and pursue it with all your might.

I think this deserves repeating. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" As a Thelemite the Law of Thelema not only does not mean "I can do what I want" it only gives me one option on what I can do. Find my Will, and do it. I can do nothing other than this.

For example if my true Will was to get married and have 2.5 kids and life happly ever after, I can not have an affair for I would not be following my true Will. On the other had if it was my true Will to stay single and have multiple sex partners, orgies, etc.. and I got married and had 2.5 kids I would not be following my true Will.

From the US OTO Grand Lodge on their Thelemic Theology page:

'According to Thelemic doctrine, the expression of Divine Law in the Æon of Horus is "Do what thou wilt". This "Law of Thelema", as it is called, is not to be interpreted as a license to indulge every passing whim, but rather as the divine mandate to discover one's True Will or true purpose in life, and to accomplish it; leaving others to do the same in their own unique ways. The "acceptance" of the Law of Thelema is what defines a Thelemite; and the discovery and accomplishment of the True Will is the fundamental concern of all Thelemites.

Thelema considers any action which is not directed toward the discovery and accomplishment of the True Will to be "black magic". This includes acts of interference with any other individual's lawful exercise of their right to discover and accomplish their own True Will. Thelemic doctrine holds that the disharmony and imbalance created by such actions results in a compensatory, equilibrating response from the universe; a doctrine similar to that of the Eastern conception of "Karma". Thelema has no direct parallel to the Judaeo-Christian concept of the devil or Satan; however, a pseudo-personification of confusion, distraction, illusion and egotistical ignorance is referred to by the name "Choronzon". '


[edit on 30-11-2006 by Richard67]

That is all true, but notice it does not state that it is a "rule".

You have the right to prevent others from interfearing with your Will. (see Liber Oz) and by doing so you might have to interfer with their Will. This is not something that you want to do but you might have to.

Do you really think Channel 10 are producing pornography? Just because someone saw a bad-taste email or game on a computer, and someone else said it was produced at work?
I really find it hard to credit any of the allegations on this site, they are so bogged down in hearsay, innuendo and just plain lies.
And all the Billy Meier UFO stuff doesn't help - I looked on Wikipedia to see what all that was about, but gaiaguys wrote most of the entry.
I really think the only reason more people haven't sued this pair is that they've got no money, and lawyers like to chase deep pockets.

Originally posted by Richard67
Do you really think Channel 10 are producing pornography? Just because someone saw a bad-taste email or game on a computer, and someone else said it was produced at work?
I really find it hard to credit any of the allegations on this site, they are so bogged down in hearsay, innuendo and just plain lies.
And all the Billy Meier UFO stuff doesn't help - I looked on Wikipedia to see what all that was about, but gaiaguys wrote most of the entry.
I really think the only reason more people haven't sued this pair is that they've got no money, and lawyers like to chase deep pockets.

I'm sorry what are you going on about?

I know the gg stuff is BS. I'm a Thelemite, I do the same stuff the O.T.O. does. The only reason I'm not a member is the 6 hour round trip to get to the nearest local body. All I was doing was correcting your statement about "one rule".