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Australian Freemasons win lawsuit against 'whistleblowers' site

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posted on May, 19 2006 @ 01:37 AM
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Great post above Vogelfire. Perhaps some of the defenders of the gaiaguys website here would like to comment, on the material that is.




posted on May, 19 2006 @ 07:39 AM
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Originally posted by vogelfire


If it is true that the O.T.O. does not have rituals, but its literature does contain "suggestions of rituals," does it necessarily follow that O.T.O. is involved in a paedophile and pornographic network? No, it does not.


Exactly. The O.T.O. does have rituals, but nothing that involves any sort of abuse.

Within the O.T.O. is a religious body called the Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica, or Gnostic Catholic Church. It celebrates a ceremony known as the Gnostic Mass, written by Aleister Crowley for the purpose of practicing the Thelemic religion in an organized fashion. The ritual can be read here.

The other important rituals of O.T.O. are its degree initiation ceremonies. They too were written by Crowley, and are based on the now-defunct Cerneau Rite of Masonry, along with the Rites of Memphis and Mitzraim. These ceremonies are technically secret, but were published in a book back in the '70's called "The Secret Rituals of the O.T.O." by Francis King, a former member.



posted on May, 19 2006 @ 04:12 PM
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Masonic Light or anyone here,

Do you know what "selective quotes from TheBook of the Law and other Thelemic texts" were used by gaiaguys and Michaelson to justify their position?


Cug

posted on May, 19 2006 @ 04:53 PM
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Really they got bits and pieces from everywhere.

Some of the places off the top of my head.
Liber Oz
Liber Al
Chapter 12 of Magick and Theory and Practice
Liber CHETH
The Gnostic Mass
Pretty much everything that alludes to sex magick (ie blood, sacrifice, etc..)
Some stuff Crowley wrote for the International.


::EDIT::

I'm sorry I missread your question. to find the exact quotes your gona have to try and find them yourself. The site is just too big of a mess to bother with.


[edit on 5/19/2006 by Cug]



posted on May, 20 2006 @ 09:54 AM
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You're quite right, Cug. It would be much simpler if gaiaguys had just one link to a page listing the most "damning evidence" in O.T.O. literature and showing by category how each substantiates its various claims.

Having re-read this entire thread, I think I've seen enough examples here. But here's a particularly graphic one from the Book of the Law having to do with blood sacrifice that I just found on gaiaguys:



lll,24: The best blood is of the moon, monthly: then the fresh blood of a child, or dropping from the host of heaven: then of enemies; then of the priest or of the worshippers: last of some beast, no matter what.


It's really not much of a reach to see how some folks would want to accuse the O.T.O. of "satanic" rituals and place (or mis-place) blame on them, especially when other parts of the literature underscore that they can do whatever they want and they are protected by a brotherhood of silence.

But, literature is not evidence.

BTW Cug, early in this thread you stated that you had the feeling Reina Michaelson was "suckered in" by gaiaguys. In her September 16, 2003 letter to Premier Bracks, Reina names Vivienne Legg as her "colleague." And, of course, Vivienne Legg is Dyson Devine's life partner. They = gaiaguys.



posted on May, 21 2006 @ 02:04 AM
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Hi Vogelfire,

The Freemasons and O.T.O. are probably completely unaware of this, but would you say there's some truth in it that 'other' mystics are attacking them?



posted on May, 21 2006 @ 01:14 PM
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Hi TerraX,

I'm not sure if we're on the same page. Could you be thinking of the people who engage in bi-monthly rituals with copper pyramids?



posted on May, 22 2006 @ 02:49 AM
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Originally posted by vogelfire
Hi TerraX,

I'm not sure if we're on the same page. Could you be thinking of the people who engage in bi-monthly rituals with copper pyramids?

Well, the thought crossed my mind but these people who speak of high tolerance towards their fellow man, spirituality and freedom of religion wouldn't attack anyone of a different faith, now would they? Nevermind.



posted on May, 22 2006 @ 02:55 AM
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Here's the summary...

- Police audio tape reveals Victorian Office of Police Integrity senior investigator telling child activist, "What I would hope that we can achieve is possibly nothing in relation to that past [pedophile] ring, even if it is still operating".
- Victorian Police Minister is quoted in response, in "The Age" newspaper saying, "...when those same allegations have been properly tested, when they've been put before the relevant authorities and it's been concluded that they are without basis and without foundation, then the time comes for us to move on."
- Equal Opportunity Commission of Victoria legitimises and processes religious vilification claim against gaiaguys and former Young Australian/Victorian of the Year, child activist Doctor Reina Michaelson on behalf of advocates of torture, the Ordo Templi Orientis, although it has the power to strike out claims without merit.
- Equal Opportunity Commission officer acknowledges that being a Freemason, or member of related groups would constitute a conflict of interest in dealing with the Ordo Templi Orientis.
- Equal Opportunity Commission officer refuses to unambiguously indicate if he is a Freemason or member of related groups.
- Premier of Victoria will not intervene, advises we get legal advice and will not acknowledge our request to know if he is a Freemason, etc.
- Equal Opportunity Commissioner washes hands of responsibility and will not acknowledge our request to know if she is a member of the Order of the Eastern Star.
- Police Minister says the claims should be taken to the [criminally corrupt] Office of Police Integrity and will not acknowledge our request to know if he is a member of the Freemasons or related groups.
- OTO launches defamation proceedings against gaiaguys with Australian Capital Territory Magistrates court (Small Claims court)
- Magistrates court staff and magistrate assigned to this case ignore our requests that they reveal any Freemason or related membership.
- ACT Human Rights Commissioner ignores our appeal for justice sent three times, including by registered mail.
- ACT Chief Minister never responds to our appeals for justice sent two times including registered mail after his office acknowledged receipt with, "Your correspondence is currently receiving attention."
- Australian Taxation Department's senior taxation advisor responds with blatant sophistry to our request to know why the Ordo Templi Orientis is enjoying tax-exempt religious status for its "we have a right to kill those who would thwart us", activities and reveals it recognises no problem with this state of affairs.
- Australian Taxation Department senior taxation adviser will not acknowledge our request to know if he is a Freemason or member of related groups who swear loyalty to other Freemasons.
- According to OTO executives the Victorian Police Commissioner's office reacts to our report of OTO's planned "performance" of bloody rites of Babalon by making enquiries.
- OTO takes religious vilification claim to Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal which never did answer our enquiries about Freemason membership, or anything else.
- OTO national executives reveal to ACT Magistrate's court their employment in volunteer child-tuition and Australian overseas diplomacy respectively (with top-secret security clearance in the latter).
- OTO executive claims in ACT Magistrate's Court that the promotion of OTO principles, [ie. "Do what thou wilt", "Sacrifice a child", "Have no pity" and "Torture"] are "sort of artistic endeavours".
- ACT Magistrate's court immediately strikes out gaiaguys defence on the grounds that it is "embarrassing".
- ACT Magistrate's court finds gaiaguys guilty of defaming child abuse network, to the tune of $30,000 resulting in our imminent bankruptcy and loss of our home.
- Transcript from ACT hearing has substantial missing section, including the "artistic endeavors" comments, and different file number from that revealed in audio tape. (We now have four different official versions of the court proceedings.)
- ACT Magistrate's court officer wrote, "...we have not been able to recover the [additional] missing piece of audio. We must have had a system problem that day and an error message is preventing us from retrieving the audio."
- OTO follows ACT action with further claim for damages. ($30,000 + $50,000 = $80,000)
- gaiaguys learns of OTO computer game in which enemies of the OTO can be assassinated with anthrax, etc. and, "you can torment your characters with unprecedented agony."



posted on May, 22 2006 @ 03:14 AM
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To Forum

This above post is straight out of the Gaiaguys.net if you haven't informed of yourselves of the recent events.

Now something is morbidly sinister and quite amiss with your forum posts members.

If you had all agreed that any form of abuse to children is an horrendous crime worthy of severe punishment then this means you all oppose such abominable actions against innocent children that constitute it.

This also means that such cases highlights the frequency of such horrendous actions against children occurs all too frequently in our society.

It also means that if there is a perpetrator of these crimes, there must also be a victim who suffers from these dispicable acts.
Then if you people really cared about the innocent victims suffering at the hands of these monsters, then WHERE DOES YOUR CONCERNS AND PRIORITIES LIE?

Your written post are not at all enlightening to say the least, this thread is afterall not about Dyson or his case in as much as it is really about the innocent victims who are clearly and should be at the heart of the matter.

Before I go off the lid just having thought about a few things that is starting to fuel this disgusting fury and rage inside of me I would just like to ask you people- DO YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT THEM?



posted on May, 22 2006 @ 07:22 AM
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If you had all agreed that any form of abuse to children is an horrendous crime worthy of severe punishment then this means you all oppose such abominable actions against innocent children that constitute it.


I think that everyone here agrees with that; as a matter of fact, I think pretty much everyone did say it in this thread.


Your written post are not at all enlightening to say the least, this thread is afterall not about Dyson or his case


If you will re-read the title of this thread, you will note that this thread is about Dyson and his case.



Before I go off the lid just having thought about a few things that is starting to fuel this disgusting fury and rage inside of me I would just like to ask you people- DO YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT THEM?



But this thread isn't about real child abuse. It's about a small group of fanatics who falsely accuse innocent people of child abuse. These accusations do not come from any empirical evidence of child abuse, but simply from misinterpreting Thelemic scriptures.

[edit on 22-5-2006 by Masonic Light]



posted on May, 22 2006 @ 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by newinitiation
To Forum

This above post is straight out of the Gaiaguys.net if you haven't informed of yourselves of the recent events.

Now something is morbidly sinister and quite amiss with your forum posts members.

If you had all agreed that any form of abuse to children is an horrendous crime

Everyone here has been saying that its wrong and no one has been condoning it. Rather, its these 'gaiaguys' who are using the abuse for themselves.





Then if you people really cared about the innocent victims suffering at the hands of these monsters, then WHERE DOES YOUR CONCERNS AND PRIORITIES LIE?

How ludicrous. As if these gaiaguys cared about these children. They are taking advantage of their being abused and using it to further their own priorities.

Your written post are not at all enlightening to say the least, this thread is afterall not about Dyson or his case in as much as it is really about the innocent victims who are clearly and should be at the heart of the matter.

Before I go off the lid just having thought about a few things that is starting to fuel this disgusting fury and rage inside of me
Maybe you should learn to control yourself then. THe people on this board have overwhelmingly stated that child abuse is absolutley wrong. Rather than attack the actual abusers, you focus on the people posting in this forum, and direct your 'rage' against thenm rather than the abusers of children. Absurd. Equally as absurd as this utter distraction from the actual child abuse of a court case that gaiaguys are doing. Rather than have pressure on the police to respond to child abuse, or promote awareness of it, they blather on about OTO being the satanic culprit behind it all. Clearly, they're not. Rather than focus on the actual abusers or why the police aren't being as vigourous as they should, they've engaged in this silyl OTO distraction or court cases to find out who's a mason.



posted on May, 22 2006 @ 09:20 AM
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But this thread isn't about real child abuse. It's about a small group of fanatics who falsely accuse innocent people of child abuse. These accusations do not come from any empirical evidence of child abuse, but simply from misinterpreting Thelemic scriptures.


That's it in a nutshell. Once again, isn't it of the utmost importance to catch the real perpetrator(s)?



posted on May, 22 2006 @ 09:36 AM
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Newinitiation,

You must not be carefully reading what most of the posters here are in fact saying. We very much do care about the mistreatment of innocent children.

I did see the page you posted above when I was navigating through the gaiaguys site. Where does it provide actual evidence that O.T.O is culpable of these alleged crimes? I don't see it.

You will also note, as it has been pointed out here several times, that gaiaguys confuses O.T.O. with Freemasons.



posted on May, 22 2006 @ 10:36 PM
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Guys, I think that newinitiation is basically saying that because we don't see gaiaguys' accusations as credible or possessing any truth or merit, that we must therefore be against them and, by proxy, we are allowing child abuse to continue.

It's similar to the ultimatum George W. Bush gave when he lobbied for countries to join the coalition of the willing: "You are either with us or against us".

It's likely that Newinitiation sincerely sees him/herself as doing the right thing and can't understand why every other decent person doesn't do the same. It's black-and-white zealotry.


Cug

posted on May, 24 2006 @ 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light

Within the O.T.O. is a religious body called the Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica, or Gnostic Catholic Church. It celebrates a ceremony known as the Gnostic Mass, written by Aleister Crowley for the purpose of practicing the Thelemic religion in an organized fashion. The ritual can be read here.


I just came across a preview of a movie about the Gnostic Mass called Behind The Veil:
The Gnostic Mass revealed
It's a montage and not the full ritual, and there is no dialog other than some of Crowley's recordings.

www.newaeonfilms.com...

If anyone has any questions on what they are seeing ask away.



posted on May, 25 2006 @ 04:19 AM
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in regards to the false names on these very forums contains a version with most of the real names in place. It is a few posts down.

A bit of googling can verify these are the people mentioned. Whether they are involved I do not make any assumptions.


www.abovetopsecret.com...


Like others I agree the source maybe questionable (giaguys) that is why I always link to the article on a different site, if I show the article to others.

Personally I do doubt that it is OTO but rather a sinister group of child abusers who, due to the fact they are protected, feel they are above the law.



posted on May, 27 2006 @ 01:29 PM
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I'm from Belgium.

The Belgian paedophile abuses clearly were performed by Satanists (the Abraxxa cult), amongst others. Some top newspaper editors (one of whom I knew personally) were censured on this issue by the government because implied paedophiles had high positions in the Belgian hierarchy.

Dutroux was just a scapegoat.

Freemasonry shows its worst side through this sexual perversion. It's all about 'freedom': the freedom to be totally compassionless and hurt others because you can.



posted on May, 28 2006 @ 05:50 AM
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Originally posted by DeltaT
Dutroux was just a scapegoat.

Dutroux wasn't a scapegoat, he WAS the guilty person. The surviving victim identified him as such. In his house they found his torture/prison chamber. To designate him as a scapegoat is not only incorrect but downright false.



posted on May, 28 2006 @ 06:57 AM
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He was a scapegoat for all the people in 'high position'. He diverted attention. It was the lone nut tactic all over again. Yes, he was sick, but he worked for even sicker ones.

I guess you're one of those who don't 'believe' in paedophilic networks.



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