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Originally posted by Centrist
LOL... fair enough I agree with your perspective, but when I read the two statements, I see things that don't seem to coexist properly. It's all a rather minor point in the whole analysis -- I don't think I'll draw any conclusions about this until we've heard more from the source.
I will note, however, that there's something about this site and the cross-reference between the Serpo.org and Richard Doty's book that strikes me with a bit of fear that this whole thing is a hoax to sell books. I hope it's not, but I have my suspicions.
For some reason – and I don't think this was ever determined – our time instruments did not work on Serpo.
Regarding Time: The Team Members brought several time pieces, e.g., wrist watches, non-battery style, as it stated in the debriefing data. The time pieces worked, but they had no reference to time since the Eben days were longer, the dusk and dawn periods were longer and they had no calenders to reference.
They did use the time pieces to calculate movement, for example, timing the movement of the Eben two suns. They also calculated the time between work and rest periods. But, after awhile, the team discarded their time pieces and used the Eben's measurement of time periods. The team became confused with the calenders they brought – a 10-year calender.
EBE-2 sat in a chair across the table from two civilians and the AF Colonel. I did not know the identity of the three. LANL-1 came into the room and sat next to me. I listened while the three asked EBE-2 a series of questions pertaining to its home planet. First question was about the temperature, climate and weather. EBE-2 responded in perfect English but sounded like a machine generated voice. Very hard to explain but it was either coming from a device that EBE-2 had in front of him or from something in its body.
The interesting part of this interview was that I didn't hear any questions being asked by the three humans sitting across from EBE-2. Either the questions were already given to EBE-2 or the three humans were "thinking the questions" and EBE-2 would respond in English.
Originally posted by ZeddicusZulZorander
EBE-2 responded in perfect English but sounded like a machine generated voice. Very hard to explain but it was either coming from a device that EBE-2 had in front of him or from something in its body.
MEETING: The Eben craft landed exactly at the location we sent. There were 16 senior U.S. Government officials on the ground. Some were political and some were senior officials, including military officers. The Ebens exited their craft and walked under a pre-located canopy. The Ebens gave gifts of their technology. The Ebens had a crude translator device. It appeared to be some sort of microphone with a read-out screen.
The senior U.S. official was given one of the devices and the Eben kept the other one. The officials spoke into the device and the screen showed a printed form of the voice message, both in Eben and English. It was crude and hard to understand everything that was said.
Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
This is also inconsistent with later statements that it took 5 years to teach them enough basic English to understand a short message, and 12 years after that, they arrive on Earth and the best they can do is convert language to text...
Originally posted by Valhall
and 13 years later when the 12 got to their planet everything was reduced to hand signals at times. Apparently the mental communication had gone away in their atmosphere. **
However, it's reasonable to consider that if a story like this was invented the first thing a storyteller would get right would be the physics, as the “correct” numbers are easy to calculate. So the fact that some of the numbers differ widely from those predicted by known laws – a sitting duck for criticism – may be a validating factor, not otherwise. Why set oneself up to be dismissed immediately?
A planet that has 1,000 times more people and yet is sparsly populated in terms of totel geography.
To be it seems as though someone has crafty a novella about a combination of Star Wars, Close Encounters and stories about alien abduction all rolled into one.
Originally posted by ZeddicusZulZorander
Under number one on this page:
Originally posted by robertfenix
Its hoax on so many different levels,
Roswell was two crash sites, but not more then 2 years apart, the crashes happend within days of each other. And in 1947 we had search planes and automobiles and jeeps and if the ranchers first found the wreckage it was only a matter of a few hours before the sherrif got to the second crash site.
The whole fact that the planet never see complete darkness sound total absurd even with a binary star system the planet must revolve around some point and since the revolution period is said to be something like 43 hours.
There was never complete darkness on the visitors planet. It got dim but not dark.
There was a period of darkness, but not total darkness. The Eben planet is located within a solar system of the Zeta Recticular Star System [two 5th-magnitude yellow double stars, similar to our Sun located near the Large Magellanic Cloud]. The planet had two suns but their angles were small and allowed some darkness on the planet depending on one's location.
the orbital timing and supposed lack of season seams all wrong even considering some inaccuracies in the collection method.
Translation, the "team" gets there then learns how to translate the EBEN language for the most part yet, for a good portion of 5 years prior to their trip the govement has been communicating with the EBEN through a device that EBE #1 showed them how to use and over time they developed a loose translation of the EBEN written alphabet tablet, close enough to correspond with landing co-ordinates and dates and times for the "visits".
The time frame from the first visit then the EBEN decide at that time that they would not take the team but on an additional visit, I think they said was 5 months later in 1964 yet even when that ship arrives the travel time back to SEPRO takes 9 months, which would mean the second ship would have had to leave already from the home planet to earth prior to the arrival of the first inteded ship to pick up the "team".
These massive ships would have to have some sort of landing port on the home world I would imagine yet nothing is said of it.
They have complex industry and space travelling craft yet the live in mud huts lacking technological comforts such as modern cooking devices. Here is an advanced society that went to war with space partical beams weapons whos intensity is enough to blow up a planet yet they have no refrigeration or use any means of cooling for anything?