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reply posted on 12-7-2005 @ 04:17 PM by anila
The article in question came in from The Party for Islamic Renewal and was written by Yamin Zakaria. I just found a link.

www.americandaily.com...

It should be noted that this person appears to me to be calling for an understanding of the real issues. I selected a paragraph out of context with the specific intention of trying to get across that there are really people out there who would feel the attacks were righteously committed.

So what are we going to do about this very serious problem? I think the world would do far better with the British people leading the way here rather than the Americans because they at least figured out how to talk with the IRA, despite many years of bitter conflict. That experience could be very helpful. The IRA had real issues, the conflict would not have ended if those issues had not been addressed.


reply posted on 12-7-2005 @ 04:31 PM by Phugedaboudet
yah, and when it comes to manufacture, especially the primaries,is very very dangerous. As in, stir too fast, let it cool to quick...kaboom.

Sure you can make a lot of the specialty explosives, but the components are hard to come by, easily traced, and not mcuh legitimate reason to have them. Typically you have to have one type of explosive and "refine" it to the other. Which still leaves the question, where'd the original come from?

I know I can't buy half the stuff I want, here in the States...in Britain, where private citizens are kept from ammunition, or even airsoft rifles, it's gotta be much harder, unless they're being smuggled in, or stolen locally.

Originally posted by Odium
Originally posted by subz
Odium, I remember the police saying that it was high explosives that was used in the attacks. And that it wasnt stuff you could make at home.


High Explosives
These are normally employed in mining, demolitions and military warheads. They undergo detonation at rates of 1,000 to 8,500 meters per second. High explosives are conventionally subdivided into two classes and differentiated by sensitivity:

Original or Primary. These are extremely sensitive to shock, friction, and heat. They will burn rapidly or detonate if ignited.
Secondary or Base. These are relatively insensitive to shock, friction, and heat. They may burn when ignited in small, unconfined quantities; detonation occurs otherwise. These are sometimes added to a primary in a small amount in a blasting cap to increase the cap's power.
Some definitions add a third category:

Tertiary, also called blasting agents. These are so insensitive to shock that they cannot be detonated by practical quantities of primary explosive, and instead require an intermediate explosive booster of secondary explosive. Some examples would be T.N.T.(trinitrotoluene), RDX, or HMX. These can usually fit into the Secondary group.
Note that some explosive materials can fall into no specific category, according to how they are initiated. For example, nitrocellulose deflagrates if ignited, but detonates if initiated by a strong detonator.

en.wikipedia.org...

Just trust me, I'm not going to explain nor post links which do, but any of those high-explosives lister there, can be made if you know what to buy. A friend of mine whose living is knowing such things sat down and explained it to me about 3 or so years ago.



reply posted on 12-7-2005 @ 04:46 PM by Phugedaboudet
Right now, you've just used the Internet. A tool developed originally through DARPA grants for the US Military. Money spent on registration of websites you use goes thru ICANN and servers in America.

You're supporting America, voting with your money. Guess you're not innocent either...so you have no problem with being a victim of sectarian violence?

What about the children of someone who "voted Labour"?

I am so sure the devices were discriminate, and only hit those "responsible" for the *hundreds of years* of poisoned Islam violence.

The justifications lf so-called "moderate" groups make me ill. Tortured logic and justification of terrorism is just mild mannered hate speech. Not all hatred and racism is loud and ranting. There are some very calm and logica Nazis. I don't buy their crap either.

Originally posted by anila
Amazing how many people know that the US and Britain have stomped the rest of the world for centuries, yet cannot accept that there might be retaliation. I host a radio show and somehow ended up on a mailing list for a non-moderate Islamic group, here's a snip from an article I received yesterday. The following comments were used to justify the bombings in London. Hello, wake up call!

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Everyone takes it for granted that the civilians in the UK are innocent, but are they really disconnected from the UK foreign policy? Especially, as the civilians have voted for the Labour Party and therefore endorsed the war in Iraq, endorsed the killing of innocent civilians in Iraq? Surely, if innocent Iraqis as a whole could be punished for its dictator, then this should apply even more to a democracy where the people’s voice dictates policy and manifesto. Hence, the Labour government, the Labour voters and the silent spectators are clearly guilty in the major state-terrorism, and genocide against Iraq.



reply posted on 12-7-2005 @ 05:19 PM by Seekerof
Originally posted by CTID56092
Their presence at Luton & their car was reported by a member of the public - 4 asian guys with rucksacs. Fairly simple to track them via CCTV that morning after that.


Interesting that you, as with a few others, mention Luton.
I did a little research, and ran across this 2001 The Times article that may prove interesting:
"Rage of Luton Muslims who want to join Taleban"

"Afzal Munir, 25, a newly married business graduate and one of two men from the Bedfordshire town killed in a US rocket attack on Kabul, worshipped at a one-room radical mosque situated in the Call To Islam Bookshop, above an insurance shop in the Dunstable Road. Within a minute of arriving outside the mosque, this Times reporter and cameraman were set upon by a Muslim man, who had rushed, enraged, from a halal butcher shop. 'You insult Islam, you corrupt Islam!' he screamed, smashing the camera to the ground and grabbing another photographer by the throat. 'You don’t understand how angry we Muslims are!' Five other Muslim men joined him, surrounding us, as he demanded the other camera. Their sense of fury was frightening. Five hundred yards away, outside Luton’s Central Mosque, the third largest in the country, Mohammed Abdullah, a 22-year-old accountant, articulated this rage. His words should serve as a warning to Geoff Hoon, the Defence Secretary, who yesterday said British men joining the Taleban would either die in Afghanistan or face prosecution if they returned here. 'They want to die there,' Mr Abdullah said. 'These are well-educated people. They have families. I knew Afzal. He loved his wife. But you must understand: all Muslims in Britain view supporting the jihad (holy war) as a religious duty. All of us are ready to sacrifice our lives for our beliefs. I am jealous of Afzal. He has reached paradise.'"



I also ran across this article that is related to this topic:
EXPLOSIVES FOUND IN CAR





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