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Originally posted by Nygdan
Originally posted by TPL
but it just seems so stupid of them to carry I.D.
Why? By doing so they are able to cause even more panic.
they can't stop it from happening but they, for some reason, can id the bomber soon AFTER the blasts
Lets think about this for a moment. You can't stop a couple of guys from making and going off on a suicide mission. But you can find out who they are once you have the parts. Why is this rather simple and obvious fact so paranoia inspiring? The militants want to let the public know that they did it. They announced that they did it, they don't care if one cell gets found out after its mission was accomplished. In doing this, with british-by-birth muslims, the entire muslim community is stigmatized, and futher pushed into marginalism, and become more likely to aid in future attacks, in england or iraq or anywhere.
Originally posted by Astronomer68
Originally posted by andy1972
COINCIDENCE...just like MOHAMMED ATTAS passport surviving a 2000 degree inferno nearly intact!!!!!
I'm not sure where this comment came from, or why, but I can tell you from personal military experience with thermite (which gets hotter than that) that it only takes a small layer of carbonized material (such as paper or cloth) to create an insulator. Several sheets of paper will survive almost totally untouched behind, or between, such a layer(s).
Originally posted by Odium
Originally posted by subz
Odium, I remember the police saying that it was high explosives that was used in the attacks. And that it wasnt stuff you could make at home.
These are normally employed in mining, demolitions and military warheads. They undergo detonation at rates of 1,000 to 8,500 meters per second. High explosives are conventionally subdivided into two classes and differentiated by sensitivity:
Original or Primary. These are extremely sensitive to shock, friction, and heat. They will burn rapidly or detonate if ignited.
Secondary or Base. These are relatively insensitive to shock, friction, and heat. They may burn when ignited in small, unconfined quantities; detonation occurs otherwise. These are sometimes added to a primary in a small amount in a blasting cap to increase the cap's power.
Some definitions add a third category:
Tertiary, also called blasting agents. These are so insensitive to shock that they cannot be detonated by practical quantities of primary explosive, and instead require an intermediate explosive booster of secondary explosive. Some examples would be T.N.T.(trinitrotoluene), RDX, or HMX. These can usually fit into the Secondary group.
Note that some explosive materials can fall into no specific category, according to how they are initiated. For example, nitrocellulose deflagrates if ignited, but detonates if initiated by a strong detonator.
Just trust me, I'm not going to explain nor post links which do, but any of those high-explosives lister there, can be made if you know what to buy. A friend of mine whose living is knowing such things sat down and explained it to me about 3 or so years ago.
Originally posted by kenshiro2012
The IRA does nto always give prior notice especially for one of their bigger operations.
Originally posted by kenshiro2012
True, but if the police have identified these suspects just because they have middle eastern backrounds / names then that means that there is a standing racial profiling going on since they (the police) had no solid evidence prior to raiding the houses that these guys were anything but ordinary citizens.
Originally posted by anila
Amazing how many people know that the US and Britain have stomped the rest of the world for centuries, yet cannot accept that there might be retaliation. I host a radio show and somehow ended up on a mailing list for a non-moderate Islamic group, here's a snip from an article I received yesterday. The following comments were used to justify the bombings in London. Hello, wake up call!
Everyone takes it for granted that the civilians in the UK are innocent, but are they really disconnected from the UK foreign policy? Especially, as the civilians have voted for the Labour Party and therefore endorsed the war in Iraq, endorsed the killing of innocent civilians in Iraq? Surely, if innocent Iraqis as a whole could be punished for its dictator, then this should apply even more to a democracy where the people’s voice dictates policy and manifesto. Hence, the Labour government, the Labour voters and the silent spectators are clearly guilty in the major state-terrorism, and genocide against Iraq.
Originally posted by CTID56092
Their presence at Luton & their car was reported by a member of the public - 4 asian guys with rucksacs. Fairly simple to track them via CCTV that morning after that.
"Afzal Munir, 25, a newly married business graduate and one of two men from the Bedfordshire town killed in a US rocket attack on Kabul, worshipped at a one-room radical mosque situated in the Call To Islam Bookshop, above an insurance shop in the Dunstable Road. Within a minute of arriving outside the mosque, this Times reporter and cameraman were set upon by a Muslim man, who had rushed, enraged, from a halal butcher shop. 'You insult Islam, you corrupt Islam!' he screamed, smashing the camera to the ground and grabbing another photographer by the throat. 'You don’t understand how angry we Muslims are!' Five other Muslim men joined him, surrounding us, as he demanded the other camera. Their sense of fury was frightening. Five hundred yards away, outside Luton’s Central Mosque, the third largest in the country, Mohammed Abdullah, a 22-year-old accountant, articulated this rage. His words should serve as a warning to Geoff Hoon, the Defence Secretary, who yesterday said British men joining the Taleban would either die in Afghanistan or face prosecution if they returned here. 'They want to die there,' Mr Abdullah said. 'These are well-educated people. They have families. I knew Afzal. He loved his wife. But you must understand: all Muslims in Britain view supporting the jihad (holy war) as a religious duty. All of us are ready to sacrifice our lives for our beliefs. I am jealous of Afzal. He has reached paradise.'"
Should we ignore such things in police reports then? If a "hispanic male" or "caucasian female" is part of the description given by a witness to a crime, should we just toss it out? Ignore the racial descriptor. And to be fair, we'd better get rid of "gender bias" too. Heaven forbid if the description contains the word "fat" or "old" or something non-flattering that hurts the criminal's feelings..
Originally posted by Phugedaboudet
You're supporting America, voting with your money. Guess you're not innocent either...so you have no problem with being a victim of sectarian violence?