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- The Guru is always right.
The Guru, his organization, and his teachings are all considered above criticism and beyond reproach.
A.A. scores a 10 on this one.
One just does not criticize the Founders, Bill Wilson and Doctor Bob, or their wonderful program. Bill Wilson's "Big Book" -- really titled "Alcoholics Anonymous" -- is cited as the ultimate answer for everything, a new Bible for contemporary alcoholics. If Bill said something, then it is automatically true. In the eyes of the A.A. faithful, Bill Wilson never made a mistake after he started A.A., and never gave bad advice to any A.A. member. Bill Wilson was a paragon of sanity, clarity, wisdom, and honesty.
- You are always wrong.
The individual members of the cult are told that they are inherently small, weak, stupid, ignorant, and sinful, and are in no way qualified to judge the Guru or his church.
A.A. scores a 10 on this one too.
You are just a brain-damaged alcoholic, "powerless over alcohol", your thinking is "alcoholic", and you aren't qualified to judge A.A. or the teachings of Bill Wilson. If you disagree with any of the insanity of A.A., it just proves that you are diseased and in denial. Sober former drinkers who criticize A.A. are dismissed as "dry drunks."
- No Exit.
A.A. scores a 10 again.
They say, "You can't leave, because if you do, you will relapse and die drunk." Then they recite a list of friends who didn't do the Twelve Steps, and who went out and died. A.A. also tells people that they will turn into bitterly unhappy "dry drunks" if they leave and manage to stay abstinent.
- No Graduates.
A.A. scores another 10.
True believers love to brag about this -- it's even made into a bunch of standard slogans:
Nobody ever graduates.
There are no graduates.
Nobody ever graduates from this program.
You are in it for life.
You will never finish your recovery.
You will never stop going to meetings.
You will never stop doing the Twelve Steps.
- Cult-speak.
A.A. gets a 10 here.
A.A. has plenty of cultish terminology, lots of loaded language and bombastically redefined words, and a whole bunch of mind-bending slogans and thought-stopping clichés.
- Group-think.
A.A. gets a 10.
It practices group-think to the max, has standard answers for everything, and discourages independent thought. "If you try to do things your own way, you will make a mistake and relapse, and probably die drunk. Just do things the tried and true way. Avoid independent thinking; just stop thinking for yourself," they say, "because 'Your best thinking got you here.' Your thinking is alcoholic. Your brain is too messed up from alcohol for you to be able to think for yourself."
- Irrationality.
A.A. gets a 10 on this one (and deserves about a hundred),
for everything from expecting God to micro-manage their lives, and solve all of their problems, to their claims that God delivers miracles on demand, to Bill Wilson's demands that we all give up "Reason" and human intelligence, and just "have faith."
- Suspension of disbelief.
A.A. scores a 10.
They tell you to "Keep An Open Mind", which really means, "Be gullible, and accept whatever ridiculous things we tell you."
The Big Book specifically says:
I was beginning to see that I would require implicit faith, like a small child, if I was going to get anywhere. The Big Book, 3rd Edition, Page 259.
And while you are as gullible as an innocent child, they will tell you to 'just believe' all kinds of screwy things, like that the Twelve Steps actually work. We are never told quite how they work; they are just supposed to work because Bill Wilson says so.
Originally posted by djohnsto77
AA is a cultish organization, but it's not secret. Anyone can lookup and go to meetings held practically every night in a large city.
Originally posted by BlissfullIgnorance
Notice how nobody else responds.... because this is stupid. This is a bunch of crazy conspiracy nuts tryong to make something out of nothing. No, Im sorry, not a bunch, just one lunatic. Seriously, alcoholics anonymous? come on whats next, the mickey mouse club? Get realistic
Originally posted by Cug
Why does this disturb me? Well besides the nullification of ones Will. It is also bordering on a state supported religious cult. How many time have you read in a newspaper about a judge "sentencing a drunk driver to attend AA meetings? Something they cant quit on pain of a living hell on earth?
Originally posted by BlissfullIgnorance
Notice how nobody else responds.... because this is stupid. This is a bunch of crazy conspiracy nuts trying to make something out of nothing. No, I'm sorry, not a bunch, just one lunatic. Seriously, alcoholics anonymous? come on whats next, the mickey mouse club? Get realistic
Originally posted by akilles
My biggest problem with AA has always been that you can never drink alcohol responsibly. Ever. You damn drunk!
Originally posted by junglejake
AA has definately helped people and will continue to do so in the future.
DontTreadOnMe
If you are an alcoholic, by definition, you are powerless over drink. It is impossible for a true alcoholic to drink responsibly...ain't gonna happen.
Originally posted by Cug
Why does this disturb me? Well besides the nullification of ones Will. It is also bordering on a state supported religious cult. How many time have you read in a newspaper about a judge "sentencing a drunk driver to attend AA meetings? Something they cant quit on pain of a living hell on earth?
Originally posted by Egg Mundane
What we are talking about here are alcoholics not problem drinkers. I do believe that some people may be able to eventual return to moderate use but most of the people that come to treatment have come with a realization that they have ruined their lives with their chemical use and the last thing that they are thinking is "someday I can drink again."
Originally posted by Cug
Not a Secret Society because the (Non Biz) meetings are open.
It's not a society
It's not a secret
I'll leave this post with two thoughts
Their membership is secret by being anonymous.
"My names _____ and I'm an alcoholic." can be considered an initiation ceremony, a short one, but it's a very powerful/moving one.