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Is the US planning a bloodbath in Venezuela

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posted on Apr, 20 2005 @ 11:15 PM
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Is Washington planning a bloodbath in Caracas?
Stuart Munckton

The Venezuelan government headed by President Hugo Chavez repeatedly accused the US government of planning a “new aggression” against Venezuela, including a plot to assassinate Chavez, despite pro-Chavez forces winning nine national elections in six years. Caracas claims to have information of an assassination plot to be carried out “within 100 days” against Chavez, although the government has refused to reveal its sources.

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Rodriguiz went as far as to set out possible scenarios. He said that an air-strike aiming to kill Chavez was one possibility, pointing to the bombing raid then US President Ronald Reagan ordered in 1986 to kill Libyan President Muammer Qadhafi (Qadhafi survived the raid, but his daughter was killed). The Cuban news agency Prensa Latina reported on March 15 that in the interview Rodriguez had stated that he personally expected to participate in a CIA operation to kill Chavez.

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The United States openly supported a military coup against the Chavez government in April 2002, which was reversed two days later by a popular uprising. Since then, however, the US Congress-funded National Endowment For Democracy has poured millions of dollars into the groups that supported the coup.

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While the US is planning an attack on Venezuela, it is unclear whether it will be able to carry it out, and, if it does, whether it will be successful or not.

From Green Left Weekly, April 6, 2005.

Venezuela Solidarity
Hands Off Venezuela


Opinions, discussion, critizism?


In my opinion this is just another attempt by the US government to squash any kind of leftist movement, what Chavez has done to Venezuela should be seen as a Saint worthy act... Also, many leaders similar to Chavez ALL OVER Latin-America have been elected, its strange how the US brandishes the one with the Oil as a totalatarian...

I think it is also important to note that Venezuela is the worlds FOURTH biggest producer of Oil... Which may explain the war ships off Venezuelas coast keeping a close eye on things...

[edit on 21-4-2005 by ghostsoldier]




posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 12:30 AM
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We have been involved in deep dark things in the reigon for a long time. Whenever you have drugs, Big Oil, and CIA Agents running around, you can expect some calamity.Barry Seal wasn't selling cookies. Some of our media is already reporting that Chavez is consorting with terrorists. But I think this sudden rash of anti-Chavez rhetoric is because of Russia and China. They don't like us, and don't want to do business with us. And we don't like it. Here we stand on top of the world waving our banner of freedom of democracy to spread to the world, yet here, in South America, this small corner of it, we have involved ourselves in drugs and terror for decades. Chavez, like it or not, is an elected official of a soverign nation and we should be ashamed to invade TWO country in the name of freeing them from tyranny while we have CIA agents trying to kill the elected president of another. Why don't we try something radical like not killing anybody and getting along, minding our own business and such. Imagine That.



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And the CIA isn't the only operatives in the area...
www.worldpress.org...
judicial-inc.biz...


[edit on 21-4-2005 by twitchy]



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 12:40 AM
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Chavez must be stopped. While we focus on the Middle East, we can't neglect our own hemisphere and allow our neighbors to fall victim to the dark forces of communism. I support whatever our leaders decide is best to keep leftists from regaining a foothold in Central and South America.

[edit on 4/21/2005 by djohnsto77]



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 12:42 AM
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You have voted twitchy for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have used all of your votes for this month.


The reason America can't sit still and keep its hands to its self is because as a nation it is greedy... The US Government has its fingers in everyones pockets... I think it is disgusting that FoxNews aired a program called "The Iron Fist of Chavez" ... If the American public could thing critically and objectively they would soon realise they are living under an "Iron Fist" ... Venezuela has been liberated....

China I think plays a HUGE role in why America went to war with Iraq, simply because thats where China was getting the majority of its Oil from, and now that the US owns that, they can begin to stop Chinas rapid progression towards super-power status again...

Alot of countries are beginning to think "Hey lets move our trade to China, just to put the US on a leash..." Infact I think this is how World War 3 will be started...



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 12:52 AM
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Originally posted by djohnsto77
Chavez must be stopped. While we focus on the Middle East, we can't neglect our own hemisphere and allow our neighbors to fall victim to the dark forces of communism. I support whatever our leaders decide is best to keep leftists from regaining a foothold in Central and South America.


No offense to you personally djohnsto77, but this is exactly the type of thing I was talking about - COMPLETE LACK OF CRITICAL THINKING...

18 Gains of the Venezuelan Revolution


  1. Written a new constitution. Fifty percent of it was written directly by the population. It was put to a referendum and it won the support of 70% of voters. This constitution extended the democratic, social and human rights of the population far beyond the boundaries of a simple parliamentary democracy. The constitution calls for participatory democratic bodies of people to organise and implement new initiatives, such as the ones mentioned here.
  2. Eradicated illiteracy according to United Nations standards.
  3. Lowered the infant mortality rate.
  4. Created 3000 new Bolivarian schools.
  5. Brought in more than 1.5 million people into the education system free of charge.
  6. Established a free university system aimed at the poor majority traditionally excluded from tertiary education (the poor receive free textbooks, free transport to university, free meals at university). Students and staff also work together democratically to create the curriculum.
  7. Built more houses for the poor in two years than in the previous 20 years under the old governments.
  8. Created access to fresh, clean and safe water for millions of people for the first time in their lives.
  9. Re-distributed millions of hectares of unused, idle yet arable (agriculturally usable) land to landless poor people.
  10. Renamed Columbus Day (Christopher Columbus the ‘explorer’) Invasion Day and are rebuilding the nations’ knowledge of real indigenous history and indigenous resistance.
  11. Opened popular food markets which buy food from food cooperatives, it then gets sold in the popular food markets at 30% below the price of food in the big supermarket chain stores.
  12. Opened 1000 free kitchens have been opened to provide free meals for people without homes.
  13. Constructed a massive free healthcare system which now provides free healthcare for the first time in history to poor workers and unemployed people.
  14. Struggled for and won back control of the gigantic oil industry (off corrupt executives and top management) which is now managed jointly by the government and the oil workers.
  15. Increased taxes on corporations, and forced them to actually pay their taxes (McDonalds and Coca Cola were shutdown for three days as punishment for avoiding payment of their full tax bill).
  16. Increased the minimum wage by 30% in 2004 (this was not the first increase since 1998). Government revenue from corporate taxes and oil sales have been used for many social programs and minimum wage increases.
  17. Banned employers sacking workers (which was declared by the government in early 2003). This has been extended and continues, allowing the rapid growth of a strongly rank-and-file-active democratic trade union movement that is washing away the pro-boss unions.
  18. Recognition of domestic work, extending permanent social security payments to people who do domestic labour (mainly women), none of this payment is taken away if their companion is in work.


These things are REAL, these things have HAPPENED... Chavez is a great man, and should be congratulated for standing upto America and its Bullying... How can you condemn a man for what he has done?

Hands Off Venezuela
Venezuela Solidarity

Viva Chavez!
Workers of the World Unite!
Feed the Poor Eat the Rich!


Pro Chavez Demonstrations

[edit on 21-4-2005 by ghostsoldier]



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 01:31 AM
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Nevermind................I forgot we tried to oust Hugo Chavez........

[edit on 21-4-2005 by Enigmatic_Messiah]



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 01:39 AM
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Nevermind................I forgot we tried to oust Hugo Chavez........

[edit on 21-4-2005 by Enigmatic_Messiah]



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 01:47 AM
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Originally posted by Enigmatic_Messiah
Is Hugo Chavez planning a revolutionary take-over

Revolutionary take-over? LOL Chavez is the elected leader, most of the people there love the guy. He has very publicly answered your question, he is purchasing military equipment because of the threat of US agression.
DJ, you said you would support ANY action the government takes in the area eh? So I take it you are in favor of CIA drug running, assasinations, coups, and violent overthrows of foriegn soverign nations? That is the sad reality of our involvement in South America.



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 01:49 AM
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Originally posted by twitchy

Originally posted by Enigmatic_Messiah
Is Hugo Chavez planning a revolutionary take-over

Revolutionary take-over? LOL Chavez is the elected leader, most of the people there love the guy. He has very publicly answered your question, he is purchasing military equipment because of the threat of US agression.


Argh, I know is elected but his actions are a little deceiving. I shouldn't have used the word revolutionary.......sorry



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 01:54 AM
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Chavez must be stopped. While we focus on the Middle East, we can't neglect our own hemisphere and allow our neighbors to fall victim to the dark forces of communism. I support whatever our leaders decide is best to keep leftists from regaining a foothold in Central and South America.


During the Cold War, a lot of the Socialist leaders in Central and South America did a crap load more for their people then the Dictatorships that the American government forced upon them did.


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[edit on 21-4-2005 by Ponderosa]



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 02:13 AM
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Originally posted by Ponderosa
During the Cold War, a lot of the Socialist leaders in Central and South America did a crap load more for their people then the Dictatorships that the American government forced upon them did.


I'd like to see some names?

Chavez can be seen as nothing more than a saviour to the people of Venezuela, he has not committed any crimes against humanity... He was elected by the people, and is "ruling" for the people...

I still stand-by my statement that America could learn a thing or two about democracy from the people of Venezuela...



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 02:40 AM
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Originally posted by twitchy
DJ, you said you would support ANY action the government takes in the area eh? So I take it you are in favor of CIA drug running, assasinations, coups, and violent overthrows of foriegn soverign nations?


Whatever is necessary to rid the world of leftist communist scum is fine with me, and if it has the side effect of making party favors more available, tant mieux.



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 02:41 AM
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Originally posted by ghostsoldierhe has not committed any crimes against humanity... He was elected by the people, and is "ruling" for the people...


lol, thats just funny..yes he has and if can you call rigged elections real then whatever, hes a dictator, communism hasnt ever worked in democracy, it never will, how many times does communism need to fail and destroy freedombefore you pro-communists see it always will be that way?



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 05:18 AM
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Originally posted by ghostsoldier

I still stand-by my statement that America could learn a thing or two about democracy from the people of Venezuela...



HAHAHAHAHAHA! We will see how long that democracy in Venezuela lasts......and, Dr. Ernesto Rafael Guevara de la Serna let down his supporters.
Good job Bolivian army!



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 05:34 AM
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Take a look at the historys best known dictators or power mad leaders....
What do the majority have in common.....

Yes sireee.....UNIFORMS...

Hitler, Saddam, Pinochet, Bonaparte, Stalin, Mao tse tung, Castro...

In whatever Country where the main man wears a uniform, the things never get any better....

When the main political power in the the country is military controlled, wether they appear good for the people or not, then the democray that they have there is a thin and shady front for the dictatorship that lies behind...


[edit on 21-4-2005 by andy1972]



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 06:39 AM
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Chavez was freely elected and then made to go through the whole thing again with internation observers........who gave the 2nd election a clean bill of health (including the electronic voting machines which - ironically and contrary to those used in the USA - had a paper audit trail which could actually be checked).

The current right-wing hysteria simply illustartes how instinctively fascist the current US 'right' are and how they have let all pretense of being 'for democracy and freedom' drop.

This is all about oil and the fact that Chavez had the audacity to say that the overwhelming majority of 'the people' should be taken account of in Venuzuela and that the Venezuelan gov should put Venezuelan interests ahead of American interests.
Cor, outrageous, huh?

This, it seems, is sufficient with some Americans, to get one labelled the reddest red these days. Ridiculous.



[edit on 21-4-2005 by sminkeypinkey]



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 07:14 AM
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Would a real dictator allow major tv stations to stay on the air that are against him? That want to see him out of power? Those tv stations that are owned by people who oppose him?

As far as I know, Channel 10 and 12 are still on the air, and my grandma has broken Chaves' ass as yet for shutting those stations down.

And furthermore, I'll repeat it: Chavez is the first non-caucasian president in Venezuela. The wealthy, powerful people in Venezuela are primarily caucasian. And lots of those people often feel that they are superior to people that have a darker skintone than them. I know, tens of thousands of caucasian Venezuelians come to Aruba every year, all year long. And they're the tourists that hotel workers here complain the most about, for being fresh, obnoxious, noisy and high nosed. I'm

serious....



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 07:16 AM
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Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
Chavez was freely elected and then made to go through the whole thing again with internation observers........


I personally know one of those international observers. My dad used to work with him.



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 07:44 AM
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Originally posted by andy1972
Take a look at the historys best known dictators or power mad leaders....
What do the majority have in common.....

Yes sireee.....UNIFORMS...

Hitler, Saddam, Pinochet, Bonaparte, Stalin, Mao tse tung, Castro...

In whatever Country where the main man wears a uniform, the things never get any better....

When the main political power in the the country is military controlled, wether they appear good for the people or not, then the democray that they have there is a thin and shady front for the dictatorship that lies behind...


[edit on 21-4-2005 by andy1972]


you missed one off that list...bush





[edit on 21-4-2005 by arnold_vosloo]



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 07:52 AM
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Originally posted by twitchy

Originally posted by Enigmatic_Messiah
Is Hugo Chavez planning a revolutionary take-over

Revolutionary take-over? LOL Chavez is the elected leader, most of the people there love the guy.


Enigmatic_Messiah, what twitchy really meant to say correctly is that after two coup attempts [the second one succeeding], Chavez [Castro mini-me] then held two staged and rigged elections. The results of the final election has jubilantly made his anti-American supporters assert that 'Castro mini-me' Chavez is an "elected leader."


Remember, according to 'Castro mini-me' Chavez, there are only TWO democratic governments in the Western Hemisphere: Canada and Venezuela.


Those loyal servants in Venezuela surely love the 'Castro mini-me', huh?
The Case Against Hugo Chávez
Venezuela Gets Ready For Civil War

Here you go, Bandit:
Chavez's Censorship: Where 'Disrespect' Can Land You in Jail





seekerof

[edit on 21-4-2005 by Seekerof]



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