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Is the US planning a bloodbath in Venezuela

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posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 08:15 AM
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Yes, countries like Venezuela can not be allowed to become self sufficient and provide for their people without the US taking care of their governments and their resources.

Yes.........I though they were "Socialist" but then again "Communist" sound better in the ear of the followers.

Viva la revolution!!!!!!!!!!! Way to go Chavez don't let any US big oil corporation's greedy hands get to your oil.

I think if US ever get even close to their borders the people's response in that country will be over whelming to defend their country.

That is why the job to take Chavez out will be internal but that will work only if some peoples are offered good enough bribes to take him out and made sure he becomes a "casualty"

The power of greed is very strong.




posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 08:18 AM
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You need to know what your talking about first, Marg.
Citgo has become a favored oil distribution outlet for Castro mini-me.
Citgo is what, Marg?

I enjoyed your cheerleading efforts though, as usual.





seekerof



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 08:20 AM
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The first link holds as much water as a case against tony blair........Its nothing but a mans opinion...

This qoute from last one say's it all...


No one is sure exactly what is going on.


Its yet again another opinion....suprise suprise...



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 08:22 AM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
You need to know what your talking about first, Marg.
Citgo has become a favored oil distribution outlet for Castro mini-me.
Citgo is what, Marg?

I enjoyed your cheerleading efforts though, as usual.





seekerof

So do you....unless your counting opinions as facts?



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 08:24 AM
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Opinion?
You mean like the worth of the your above opinion and subsequent dismissal?

Isn't that the purpose of "opinions"?
To be taken seriously or not?
Your point was then what, devilwasp? To down play that there are voices of dissent in Venezuela: within the people and the military?

Help me out here, k?



seekerof



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 08:25 AM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
You need to know what your talking about first, Marg.
Citgo has become a favored oil distribution outlet for Castro mini-me.
Citgo is what, Marg?

I enjoyed your cheerleading efforts though, as usual.


seekerof


You forgot something Chavez still control his oil and to who and how he made deals with.

I can wait to see him changing his oil prices depending of the wealth of the country.

That is going to eat many nations hart out.

By the way I was never a cheerleader like you are......... Seekerof you win it all.
Hurra.........



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
Opinion?
You mean like the worth of the your above opinion and subsequent dismissal?

My opinion is of your tactics....it holds no weight.


Isn't that the purpose of "opinions"?
To be taken seriously or not?

No its to express what you think, they are always biased and almost always wrong.


Your point was then what, devilwasp? To down play that there are voices of dissent in Venezuela: within the people and the military?

I am here to point out that you showed 2 people's set out against the government as facts.....that clear it up?
Oh and I am not here to "down play" ,as you put it, anyone....if I was wouldnt I go insulting the authors authenticity?


Help me out here, k?

Done so.....anything else?



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
Here you go, Bandit:
Chavez's Censorship: Where 'Disrespect' Can Land You in Jail


I stopped reading the article after seeing this:


The former coup-plotting colonel is well on his way to destroying what was once the most stable and prosperous democracy in Latin America.


BULLCRAP!!! The country is filled with poor people and shanti-towns. And a minority had the money and power for years. If Venezuela was the most stable and prosperous democracy in Latin America we wouldn't have had so many legal and illegal Venezuelian immigrants over the years.



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 09:07 AM
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Chavez has done a good job of running a sucessful democracy despite facing coups and US sponsered unrest. He is a beacon of light in an area darkened by Cuba and Columbia.

Noone 'dissappears' in Venezuela, anti government broadcasting is allowed after two coups, elections are monitiored and found aceptable by the international community, what more to you need to count as successful democracy?

The fact that Chavez has the nerve to use left wing methods to improve his nation may anger US based idiots, but peope with eyes and ears can see the good he does for the country.



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 10:11 AM
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Well you can see in this thread how far the loony Right's commitment to "freedom and democracy" goes. If anyone to the left of Atilla The Hun gets elected, the election must have been "staged" (despite a lack of any evidence whatsoever for the claim) so the will of the people must be subverted, and the democracy overthrown. Democracy in other countries is only useful so far as it benefits the US and US corporations. Once a leader who doesn't to the US line gets elected, it's Salvador Allende time.

Perfectly loathsome, but at least perfectly consistent...

[edit on 21-4-2005 by xmotex]



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 10:26 AM
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Opinions, discussion, critizism?


Yeah,

With an idiot like Bush in charge, you can expect what should be a covert effort never to see the light of day, will instead be splashed all over the front page, because (lucky for you ghostsoldier) this Administration is about as subtle and covert as a 2 by 4 upside the head.

Had his daddy or old Ronnie Ray Gun been in charge, the coup would go off quietly and with little to no indication of US involvement. With Dubya in charge, I'd be surprised if such "rebels" weren't wearing US uniforms complete with flag patches!



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
Opinion?
You mean like the worth of the your above opinion and subsequent dismissal?


Haha, I'm voting for you to get way above top secret for putting devilwasp in his/her place...............if I could..which I can't

[edit on 21-4-2005 by Enigmatic_Messiah]



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by Enigmatic_Messiah
Haha, I'm voting for you to get way above top secret for putting devilwasp in his/her place...............if I could..which I can't

[edit on 21-4-2005 by Enigmatic_Messiah]

Yeah I was really "put in my place"



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 06:09 PM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
Yeah I was really "put in my place"


Tell me about it, I wonder who got what around here, not matter how you put it in the table Chavez is working for his people you know it I know it but...........we know how the sentiments run here. Right?

Regarless of how many will fall flat on their rear ends to try and undermind the truth with petty comments.




posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by ghostsoldier
18 Gains of the Venezuelan Revolution

These things are REAL, these things have HAPPENED... Chavez is a great man, and should be congratulated for standing upto America and its Bullying... How can you condemn a man for what he has done?
[edit on 21-4-2005 by ghostsoldier]


Wow, seem that Chavez must have use up or borrow TONS of money to provide free schooling, free services, free kitchens, free textbooks, improve water/sewage systems, free housing, free transport, free everything, increase payment wages, pensions, etc.

Chavez is turning Venezuela into a huge welfare state.
All those things above must have cost a great deal of money to provide that. Oh, yeah, oil money! No big deal, easy money there! Until this one below:

This is what Gustavo Coronel's take on Chavez and his government in Venezuela from the Odious Debts website:
In Venezuela it is still early to say what will ultimately happen. President Chavez already has far too much political power, checks and balances do not exist and he is the only one who decides how money will be used. When this absolute power is combined with enormous amounts of money entering the country via oil income and new indebtness, some $180 billion in the last five years, and when this power and wealth are further combined with a total lack of transparency, it is easy to presume that high levels of corruption will result and/or have already taken place. As everyone knows, proving corruption is not an easy affair, but the last report by Transparency International ranks Venezuela as one of the most corrupt nations in the World, more so than the previous years. Obsequious reporters, eager to demonstrate their loyalty, write: "The top echelons in the current government (of Chavez) can be described as incorruptible" and try to pin the blame for corruption in government on "middle-management bureaucracy" but never on the "honest and idealistic ministers and heads of major departments."
www.odiousdebts.org...



[edit on 4/21/2005 by the_oleneo]



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by TheBandit795
BULLCRAP!!! The country is filled with poor people and shanti-towns. And a minority had the money and power for years. If Venezuela was the most stable and prosperous democracy in Latin America we wouldn't have had so many legal and illegal Venezuelian immigrants over the years.


Do you truly think poor people in Venezuela would really become rich and well-off under Chavez? You would prefers all poor people to be rich and well-off with money and all?

Let's all be GREEDY!



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 06:50 PM
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I don't know..............here in the US we are running on "tons" of money that we don't have is called deficit and we are still functioning.

What do you think.



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
I don't know..............here in the US we are running on "tons" of money that we don't have is called deficit and we are still functioning.

What do you think.


Some people are pretty smart and savvy with money. Some people aren't. That's why.

When people who have a lot of money doesn't seem to realize there are pitfalls and limitations with it. Especially people who are poor or have been poor, not used to such amounts of money they aren't able to become financially sufficient in time (not all people, just some).



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 06:58 PM
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Remember, according to 'Castro mini-me' Chavez, there are only TWO democratic governments in the Western Hemisphere: Canada and Venezuela.


For a start how many politcal parties does Canada and Venezuela have?
If it more than two i totally agree.....How can america call itself a democratic country with only two politcal opponents??????? Makes no sence either one party has all the power or the other does......

Where as in Scotland if you dont have a majority you have to team up with one of the other parties (Which we have 4+ off) Which allows for a far more democratic and for the ppl goverment that a single party with all the power.......

Let face it i recon Bush fancys himself as the King (or should i see queen) of the world.

There are times when America and the rest of the world should stick their nose in and ttimes when they shouldnt.
Instead of wasting the money on a failed coup why not spend it on the thousands of poor, old and under privalaged kids in your own country. If that dont suit you Mr Bush could always bomb africa with fresh clean water, food and help prop up the aids money to stop the evil disease in its tracks.



posted on Apr, 21 2005 @ 07:01 PM
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Gustavo Coloner, a traitor among his people.



Washington D.C. exiled Gustavo Coronel: All claptrap and no real substance...
Objective: discredit Chavez and the Bolivarian government, hoping for a US invasion of the activation of Plan Colombia. Coronel really wants to see his own Venezuelan brothers die violently with this being his aim ... dregs of humanity working in the Carnegie Foundation is what comes to mind.
Coronel's latest offering repeats the same lies so loved by the US State Department which is then broadcast on Fox News and CNN en español.


Yes he was the poor child of the coup that didn’t got his candy.

www.vheadline.com...







 
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