France bans female muslim students from wearing abayas in state schools

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: SwissMarked
a reply to: dragonridr

How did Islam invent things in the “1st Century” when it wasn’t around for another 500+ years… nice try “history buff”… 🤣🤣🤣

You are wrong the Muslim religion didn't start with the writing of the Quran. What the Quran did was invalidate Muslim texts written before it. Muslims believe the Quran to be direct knowledge from the Creator of existence. As such, some Muslims believe that the earlier versions are distorted through flawed processes of transmission and interpretation over time, and consider the Quran's version to be more accurate. That is why Muslims say the religion started in 640 AD reality is it is older than that.

According to this logic you can date it back to the beginning of time and claim everything is Muslim and all of us are Muslim...What you said is a common online argument but it's obviously not true.

a reply to: AlienBorg

According to this logic you can date it back to the beginning of time and claim everything is Muslim and all of us are Muslim...

Just back to Ishmael. www.biblegateway.com...

a reply to: SwissMarked

But could not the same be said for:

"“Christianity” has given us arts… literature… the United States Constitution… advances in medicine and science… and on and on throughout history despite some of the horrors that have also been carried out under its guise…"

Christian people have done amazing things, Islamic people have done amazing things, horrible things too, each. I don't follow your logic.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Islam is Muhammad… post 610AD… the end… nice try though revisionist… 😘

originally posted by: SwissMarked
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Islam is Muhammad… post 610AD… the end… nice try though revisionist… 😘

Nope. That's not true.

Islam is a monotheistic religion that believes in Allah as the only God and Muhammad as the final prophet.

Abraham is the father of monotheistic Judeo/Christian religions. Islam is an offshoot of Judaism, as is Christianity. All three religions are rooted in Abraham and his "One God" monotheistic theosophy. Al Arab nations, including Islam, claim to have sprung from Abraham's son's, Ishmael, loins.

Christian gentiles are, supposedly, adopted Jews who've accepted Jesus as the last Prophet of the "One God", “first for the Jew, then for the Gentile” (Romans 1:16, Romans 2:10)

Christianity has evolved into some Christians believing that Jesus is the God of the Old Testiment. Otherwise, all three religions worship the same (G)od; the (G)od of Abraham and of Adam.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

That’s like saying Mormonism began with the birth of Christ… Islam began in 610AD… the end… thanks for playing… stick to hating Trump you’re much better at that…

a reply to: LordAhriman

What if women want to wear a hijab?

Not all Islamic countries are the same, as not all Christian countries are the same.

This thread is surprisingly bigotted, for ATS.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Stopstealingmycountry
a reply to: SwissMarked

Wow that was something to say. Despite the fact that Islam is the world's second largest religion.

As SwissMarked rightly pointed out, it isn't a religion, it is a radical political ideology that encourages murdering anyone who would dare to burn a Koran or mock their false deity in a cartoon.

And then went on to say it should be banned.

Banned? No, but it should be declared a Terrorist Organization.

and a cult..

The problem with the current Islamic regime is that they are focusing on passages written for the warriors who were to protect the peaceful Muslim from invaders back in olden times. I've read these passages, and they are indeed bloody and terrifying.

If one reads about the Grace and Mercy of Allah, one will be stunned by the beauty and gentleness of the passages.

The problem is that the warriors are trying to make the warrior code the default expression of the Muslim community, and they have taken it so far as to suffer abuses and Sharia Law on the gentle innocents of their own peoples.

They are being used by evil men, who are obessed with Jihad, even though there is no immediate thread to the Islamic community, there are no barbairians or invading tribes trying to kill and conquer the people of the faith, aside from the warrior caste that have become corrupted with lust for blood and power.

They're fighting an unholy war, under the impression they are fighting a just one.

Madness, the corruptability of human nature.

What happens to the warrior when he has no true enemy to fight?

He creates one to satisfy his bloodlust.

Unfortunately, there is no one strong enough to reign these illiterate savages in, and they obess over the wrong passages and it corrupts their thinking and actions.

In short, they've been brainwashed by their leaders who push the Jihadist proclaimations.

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: LordAhriman

What if women want to wear a hijab?

Not all Islamic countries are the same, as not all Christian countries are the same.

This thread is surprisingly bigotted, for ATS.

France doesn't have a ban on hijabs in public spaces but it does have a ban on hijabs in schools. That's a really good question btw. What if girls want to wear a hijab in school? The law says no.

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
The problem with the current Islamic regime is that they are focusing on passages written for the warriors who were to protect the peaceful Muslim from invaders back in olden times. I've read these passages, and they are indeed bloody and terrifying.

If one reads about the Grace and Mercy of Allah, one will be stunned by the beauty and gentleness of the passages.

The problem is that the warriors are trying to make the warrior code the default expression of the Muslim community, and they have taken it so far as to suffer abuses and Sharia Law on the gentle innocents of their own peoples.

They are being used by evil men, who are obessed with Jihad, even though there is no immediate thread to the Islamic community, there are no barbairians or invading tribes trying to kill and conquer the people of the faith, aside from the warrior caste that have become corrupted with lust for blood and power.

They're fighting an unholy war, under the impression they are fighting a just one.

Madness, the corruptability of human nature.

What happens to the warrior when he has no true enemy to fight?

He creates one to satisfy his bloodlust.

Unfortunately, there is no one strong enough to reign these illiterate savages in, and they obess over the wrong passages and it corrupts their thinking and actions.

In short, they've been brainwashed by their leaders who push the Jihadist proclaimations.

This ideology is just not in line with 21st modern values and ideas, in the western world. No matter how they try to spin it Islam is a religion created by 7th century men for 7th century men.

a reply to: AlienBorg

Not disputing that. It's a historical piece.

There are still some beautiful passages in there though.

The peaceful ones are timeless.

I wish more people would focus on those parts.

a reply to: SwissMarked

LOL

News flash for you! Abraham wasn't a Jew and Jesus wasn't a Christian.

Pre-Islamic Arabians believed Mecca was the holy place where Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba, where Abraham took Hagar and Ishmael, where Allah revealed the sacred well to Hagar and where Ishmael established a "nation".

Muhammad was an Ishmaelite, belonging to the ruling family dynasty of Mecca, "The House of Hashim", that claimed to be direct descendants of Ishmael and Abraham. He preached old timey monotheism, which the rest of the world was readily embracing.

So yeah, Islam springs from the Old Testament's god promising Abraham that he would be the father of many nations and can be traced back to the story of Abraham, Hagar and Ishmael.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Islam was still created after 610AD… nothing good has come from Islam… but by all means… keep rambling on…

a reply to: SwissMarked

Islam was still created after 610AD…

Not "created". Revealed and embraced. It's just a restatement of old timey Judeo covenants and mysticism, without the Jews.

a reply to: SwissMarked

Islam is based upon the worship of what guy… when did he exist… it can’t predate it’s prophet… so… yeah… anyhoo…

Someone who doesn't understand the very basis of Islam is here giving us an expert opinion. Goes to show the state of the world we live in. Blind hatred and ignorance on display. Grow up old man.

a reply to: dragonridr
Obviously you haven't been in contact with the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses going door to door trying to convert people. The religious world aint only about Muslims don't you know.

a reply to: AlienBorg

There's my point. Freedom means freedom to practice religion or refrain. As the USSC said: hair style is a personal expression of free speech and cannot be regulated by schools, but they do it all the time. They say its distracting. The USSC says it isn't, or its on the other person not to get distracted. Silent expressions of free speech are especially protected.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: SwissMarked

Islam was still created after 610AD…

Not "created". Revealed and embraced. It's just a restatement of old timey Judeo covenants and mysticism, without the Jews.

Revealed by who?
Created is the right word.

All three major Abrahamic religions have their foundations in the Old Testament but affected by a variety of traditions and other religions. Islam for example has been influenced by Christianity, Judaism, local Arab traditions and beliefs, zoroastrianism, the Persians and the Byzantines.

But remains a 7th century ideology that hasn't evolved much.

a reply to: AlienBorg

I had all kinds of attitude about Islam until I spent some time in an Islamic country, the oldest.

It's surely not like the US and the west. And many here in the US would find them backward and would be quite critical. But there were plenty of positives. I personally felt MORE respected as an older woman THERE than I do here.

Their superstitions are no more backward than ours or anyone else''s.

I do like the philosophy tho': submission In an unpredictable world, where you have no idea where your next meal is coming from, or where to lay your head, Insha'Allah and Alhamdullila some it up for the majority of humans on this planet to keep on keeping on: God's Will, and Gratitude. Basic stuff in every religion. Submit to God's will and be grateful. What else can be said of daily uncertainty without going insane?